Why demons must obey!!!

SavedByGrace3 · Jan 31, 2004

This is something I wrote 10 years ago. It may have some terminology in it that is strange to you. I hope it makes sense. In it are some keys to casting out devils. How to. Why they flee. What actually takes place when you command them to leave... etc. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Didy

The Effects of Belief Spoken Words
on Time, Space, and Reality

There is a model of spirit make-up that says that spirits are words incarnate. They are the sum total of their logosystem. Jesus is said to be the living Word, the Logos. He is the spiritual manifestation of the Logosystem of God. He is the Word. When we are born again, we begin to be made after the image of Him. Gradually, as more of the word is added to your logosystem, you become more like him. You are a subset of the total that is Jesus.
Following this logic, and adding the Mark 11:23 process of belief being manifested into physical reality by speaking the contents of the logosystem, we can see the process of the creation of the worlds and the ages. We can see that all that is or will ever be is simply the contents of the logosystem of Jesus being spoken into existence by Him.
Evil therefore is the attempt by the devil to create lies and manifest them into existence by the same process. If you consider that the devil and his demons are also spirits, then you will understand that they also have logosystems. The logosystem of the devil is lies incarnate. It is darkness, death, and destruction. The logosystem of the unregenerate is a subset of the devils logosystem.

Actions of spirits are regulated by the
contents of their logosystems.

I happened upon a truth in the early 80s that I have found a certain amount of substantiation for. A demonic spirit, like a spirit of God, cannot act contrary to the contents of it's logosystem. It will always behave and react in accordance to what it believes to be true. It is belief regulated. Unlike living humans, a demonic spirit has no soul and therefore has no logic, reason, emotion, or will. When placed in a given situation, it will always instantly react to stimuli in accordance with the contents of it's logosystem or belief. People who see demons say that they can and occasionally do pass right through walls and barriers. But most of the time they will actually use doors, windows, and other openings that exist in the material world. They will sit in chairs, walk up stairs, and behave exactly as if they had physical bodies. I believe this is because even though they can pass through any physical object, they are "belief regulated" to obey physical laws. The contents of their logosystem is such that they have to operate in accordance with what they believe. If they believe they have to go through doors, they have to. Since they have no soul with which to reason past this, they must always act in accordance with their logosystem. This is especially true of the smaller demons who have limited logosystems. There is a theory that many earth bound demons are the spirits of pre-adamics or pre-flood beings that were perverted by satan and darkness. If this is true, then it could be that when they died they carried their "physical reality" logosystems into the spirit realm with them, and so act in accordance with them even though they are now spirits.

In our present day dealings with demons and evil spirits it is important to understand how this works. When you understand that demons always MUST act in accordance with their logosystem, then you can begin to see how we can cast them out in the name of Jesus!

Two elements that exist in the logosystem of every demon spirit:

(1.) Jesus created everything that exists in both the spiritual and physical worlds.
Col 1
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven,
and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be
thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things
were created by him, and for him:

(2.) Jesus decended into hell and defeated the devil and all the principalities and powers of the devil:
Col 2
15: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made
a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

These facts have been imprinted in the logosystems of every demon, and they have to act in accordance with them!
Read the following very carefully, for in it lies a faith reality which when entered into your logosystem will make you a demon casting terror to the devil:

When you (that is the spirit of Christ in you) evoke the name of Jesus, and commune that reality into any demonic spirit, it will react in fear, terror, and paralysis. Because it does not have a soul it cannot reason who you are. It sees Jesus and it sees the horrific defeat it suffered in hell on the day Jesus was raised from the dead. When the spirit of Christ in you communes (that means it shares information) with a demon, that demon sees Jesus. It cannot reason Jesus is in heaven with the Father or that the spoiling in hell actually occurred 2000 years ago. When you commune Jesus into that spirit, all it can see is utter fear and terror. When God spoke the words "you are Lord and Christ", that truth entered the logosystem of every demonic spirit in all creation. When the name of Jesus is evoked, every demon must instantly act in accordance with that truth.

That certain truth is inserted into the logosystem of the demon is evident from the scriptures:

Matt 8
29: And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do
with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to
torment us before the time?

Mark 1
23: And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean
spirit; and he cried out,
24: Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou
Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee
who thou art, the Holy One of God.

Mark 5
7: And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with
thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by
God, that thou torment me not.

Acts 19
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and
Paul I know; but who are ye?

James 2
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well:
the devils also believe, and tremble.

These demonic spirits instantly reacted to the presence of the Christ spirit and the spiritually communed spoken word. In each case the reaction is blind mindless fear. Demons are helpless to resist fear. It holds such power over them that they will be rendered totally helpless when the name of Jesus is communed to them. '..the devils also believe, and tremble..". That the word says "the devils believe" is fascinating. It is precisely because they believe that we hold such power over them in the name of Jesus. The name of Jesus simply lays them low. They must react in accordance with this belief that has been communed into them by God.

James 4
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil,
and he will flee from you.

The word "flee" carries with it the idea of fleeing as a fugitive (Gk "pheugo" Latin "fugio"). The being is always captive to your words (because of Who it is that lives in you and Who it is that is actually speaking the words). Some even read the word to mean "escape". It is not a matter of your chasing him away, rather he must escape from your presence as quickly as possible! Quite a difference! It changes from you being attacked by a demonic spirit to your getting the upper hand and the spirit finding that it is all he can do to escape from your presence (that is the presence of the spirit of Christ in you!).

ablikespaintball · Jan 31, 2004

ofcourse,
Satan and his minions are already a defeated FOE!! we are not the ones in teh war, the war is over, God already won.....All we have to do is call on teh name of jesus and they flee

ablikespaintball · Jan 31, 2004

u know what i noticed? most of the ppl in the charismatic forum aren't really charismatic.....hmm that was random but o well

Shannonkish · Jan 31, 2004

u know what i noticed? most of the ppl in the charismatic forum aren't really charismatic.....hmm that was random but o well

Why? Because we don't necessairly agree with everything you do?

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Of, relating to, or characterized by charisma: the warmth of a naturally charismatic leader (Joyce Carol Oates).
Of, relating to, or being a type of Christianity that emphasizes personal religious experience and divinely inspired powers, as of healing, prophecy, and the gift of tongues.

Godz Marine · Jan 31, 2004

most of the ppl in the charismatic forum aren't really charismatic.

That all depends on your definition of charismatic. What may it be?

SavedByGrace3 · Jan 31, 2004

A good source for the definition of the word "charismatic" is the original greek word "Charisma".

Vines:

Grace
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has various uses, (a) objective, that which bestows or occasions pleasure, delight, or causes favorable regard; it is applied, e.g., to beauty, or gracefulness of person, Luk_2:40; act, 2Co_8:6, or speech, Luk_4:22, RV, "words of grace" (AV, "gracious words"); Col_4:6; (b) subjective, (1) on the part of the bestower, the friendly disposition from which the kindly act proceeds, graciousness, loving-kindness, goodwill generally, e.g., Act_7:10; especially with reference to the Divine favor or "grace," e.g., Act_14:26; in this respect there is stress on its freeness and universality, its spontaneous character, as in the case of God's redemptive mercy, and the pleasure or joy He designs for the recipient; thus it is set in contrast with debt, Rom_4:4,16, with works, Rom_11:6, and with law, Joh_1:17; see also, e.g., Rom_6:14,15; Gal_5:4; (2) on the part of the receiver, a sense of the favor bestowed, a feeling of gratitude, e.g., Rom_6:17 ("thanks"); in this respect it sometimes signifies "to be thankful," e.g., Luk_17:9 ("doth he thank the servant?" lit., "hath he thanks to"); 1Ti_1:12; (c) in another objective sense, the effect of "grace," the spiritual state of those who have experienced its exercise, whether (1) a state of "grace," e.g., Rom_5:2; 1Pe_5:12; 2Pe_3:18, or (2) a proof thereof in practical effects, deeds of "grace," e.g., 1Co_16:3, RV, "bounty" (AV, "liberality"); 2Co_8:6,19 (in 2Co_9:8 it means the sum of earthly blessings); the power and equipment for ministry, e.g., Rom_1:5; Rom_12:6; Rom_15:15; 1Co_3:10; Gal_2:9; Eph_3:2,7.

To be in favor with is to find "grace" with, e.g., Act_2:47; hence it appears in this sense at the beginning and the end of several Epistles, where the writer desires "grace" from God for the readers, e.g., Rom_1:7; 1Co_1:3; in this respect it is connected with the imperative mood of the word chairo, "to rejoice," a mode of greeting among Greeks, e.g., Act_15:23; Jam_1:1 (marg.); 2Jo_1:10,11, RV, "greeting" (AV, "God speed").

The fact that "grace" is received both from God the Father, 2Co_1:12, and from Christ, Gal_1:6; Rom_5:15 (where both are mentioned), is a testimony to the deity of Christ. See also 2Th_1:12, where the phrase "according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ" is to be taken with each of the preceding clauses, "in you," "and ye in Him."

In Jam_4:6, "But He giveth more grace" (Greek, "a greater grace," RV, marg.), the statement is to be taken in connection with the preceding verse, which contains two remonstrating, rhetorical questions, "Think ye that the Scripture speaketh in vain?" and "Doth the Spirit (the Holy Spirit) which He made to dwell in us long unto envying?" (see the RV). The implied answer to each is "it cannot be so." Accordingly, if those who are acting so flagrantly, as if it were so, will listen to the Scripture instead of letting it speak in vain, and will act so that the Holy Spirit may have His way within, God will give even "a greater grace," namely, all that follows from humbleness and from turning away from the world. See BENEFIT, BOUNTY, LIBERALITY, THANK.

SavedByGrace3 · Jan 31, 2004

The word "charismatic" is used in reference to those of us who believe in the freely given "grace gifts" of God.

Rom 12:6 Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;
Rom 12:7 if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching;
Rom 12:8 or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

ablikespaintball · Jan 31, 2004

lol shannon what do u have against me?

Jim B · Jan 31, 2004

didaskalos wrote

The word "charismatic" is used in reference to those of us who believe in the freely given "grace gifts" of God.

Well, I believe in and practice the "grace gifts" and have for more than 30 years. On occasion, I speak in tongues, heal the seak, cast out devils, receive revelations, and prophesy. Am I a Charismatic?

Even if I dont claim the label (as you should well know)?

I know people who claim to be Charismatic but who practice none of the above. Are they Charismatic?

This is not a loaded question. Honest. I would just like to know how you feel.

Jim
\o/

ablikespaintball · Jan 31, 2004

Godz Marine said:
That all depends on your definition of charismatic. What may it be?

My definition of charismatic would be:
Someone who believes in all the gifts, and operates in them....Someone who is babtised in the holy spirit. pretty much.

Godz Marine · Jan 31, 2004

didaskalos said:
This is something I wrote 10 years ago. It may have some terminology in it that is strange to you. I hope it makes sense. In it are some keys to casting out devils. How to. Why they flee. What actually takes place when you command them to leave... etc. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Didy

The Effects of Belief Spoken Words
on Time, Space, and Reality

There is a model of spirit make-up that says that spirits are words incarnate. They are the sum total of their logosystem. Jesus is said to be the living Word, the Logos. He is the spiritual manifestation of the Logosystem of God. He is the Word. When we are born again, we begin to be made after the image of Him. Gradually, as more of the word is added to your logosystem, you become more like him. You are a subset of the total that is Jesus.
Following this logic, and adding the Mark 11:23 process of belief being manifested into physical reality by speaking the contents of the logosystem, we can see the process of the creation of the worlds and the ages. We can see that all that is or will ever be is simply the contents of the logosystem of Jesus being spoken into existence by Him.
Evil therefore is the attempt by the devil to create lies and manifest them into existence by the same process. If you consider that the devil and his demons are also spirits, then you will understand that they also have logosystems. The logosystem of the devil is lies incarnate. It is darkness, death, and destruction. The logosystem of the unregenerate is a subset of the devils logosystem.

Actions of spirits are regulated by the
contents of their logosystems.

I happened upon a truth in the early 80s that I have found a certain amount of substantiation for. A demonic spirit, like a spirit of God, cannot act contrary to the contents of it's logosystem. It will always behave and react in accordance to what it believes to be true. It is belief regulated. Unlike living humans, a demonic spirit has no soul and therefore has no logic, reason, emotion, or will. When placed in a given situation, it will always instantly react to stimuli in accordance with the contents of it's logosystem or belief. People who see demons say that they can and occasionally do pass right through walls and barriers. But most of the time they will actually use doors, windows, and other openings that exist in the material world. They will sit in chairs, walk up stairs, and behave exactly as if they had physical bodies. I believe this is because even though they can pass through any physical object, they are "belief regulated" to obey physical laws. The contents of their logosystem is such that they have to operate in accordance with what they believe. If they believe they have to go through doors, they have to. Since they have no soul with which to reason past this, they must always act in accordance with their logosystem. This is especially true of the smaller demons who have limited logosystems. There is a theory that many earth bound demons are the spirits of pre-adamics or pre-flood beings that were perverted by satan and darkness. If this is true, then it could be that when they died they carried their "physical reality" logosystems into the spirit realm with them, and so act in accordance with them even though they are now spirits.

In our present day dealings with demons and evil spirits it is important to understand how this works. When you understand that demons always MUST act in accordance with their logosystem, then you can begin to see how we can cast them out in the name of Jesus!

Two elements that exist in the logosystem of every demon spirit:

(1.) Jesus created everything that exists in both the spiritual and physical worlds.
Col 1
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven,
and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be
thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things
were created by him, and for him:

(2.) Jesus decended into hell and defeated the devil and all the principalities and powers of the devil:
Col 2
15: And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made
a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

These facts have been imprinted in the logosystems of every demon, and they have to act in accordance with them!
Read the following very carefully, for in it lies a faith reality which when entered into your logosystem will make you a demon casting terror to the devil:

When you (that is the spirit of Christ in you) evoke the name of Jesus, and commune that reality into any demonic spirit, it will react in fear, terror, and paralysis. Because it does not have a soul it cannot reason who you are. It sees Jesus and it sees the horrific defeat it suffered in hell on the day Jesus was raised from the dead. When the spirit of Christ in you communes (that means it shares information) with a demon, that demon sees Jesus. It cannot reason Jesus is in heaven with the Father or that the spoiling in hell actually occurred 2000 years ago. When you commune Jesus into that spirit, all it can see is utter fear and terror. When God spoke the words "you are Lord and Christ", that truth entered the logosystem of every demonic spirit in all creation. When the name of Jesus is evoked, every demon must instantly act in accordance with that truth.

That certain truth is inserted into the logosystem of the demon is evident from the scriptures:

Matt 8
29: And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do
with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to
torment us before the time?

Mark 1
23: And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean
spirit; and he cried out,
24: Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou
Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee
who thou art, the Holy One of God.

Mark 5
7: And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with
thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by
God, that thou torment me not.

Acts 19
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and
Paul I know; but who are ye?

James 2
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well:
the devils also believe, and tremble.

These demonic spirits instantly reacted to the presence of the Christ spirit and the spiritually communed spoken word. In each case the reaction is blind mindless fear. Demons are helpless to resist fear. It holds such power over them that they will be rendered totally helpless when the name of Jesus is communed to them. '..the devils also believe, and tremble..". That the word says "the devils believe" is fascinating. It is precisely because they believe that we hold such power over them in the name of Jesus. The name of Jesus simply lays them low. They must react in accordance with this belief that has been communed into them by God.

James 4
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil,
and he will flee from you.

The word "flee" carries with it the idea of fleeing as a fugitive (Gk "pheugo" Latin "fugio"). The being is always captive to your words (because of Who it is that lives in you and Who it is that is actually speaking the words). Some even read the word to mean "escape". It is not a matter of your chasing him away, rather he must escape from your presence as quickly as possible! Quite a difference! It changes from you being attacked by a demonic spirit to your getting the upper hand and the spirit finding that it is all he can do to escape from your presence (that is the presence of the spirit of Christ in you!).

didaskalos,

I fully understand the power of words whether words of life or words of death. I am not sure if I read you correctly. Are you saying the the more Word we have in our "logosystem" the more demons have to subject themselves to us and our words?

SavedByGrace3 · Feb 1, 2004

Godz Marine said:
didaskalos,

I fully understand the power of words whether words of life or words of death. I am not sure if I read you correctly. Are you saying the the more Word we have in our "logosystem" the more demons have to subject themselves to us and our words?

Hi GM,
Faith = word revealed or spoken into a believers spirit by God
"Logosystem" = the sum total of all the words spoken into a believers spirit by God.

Sometimes things do not happen because people do not have faith or are "faithless".... that is, they do not have the specific "word" in their spirit that is needed to accomplish the task at hand. They just need the revelation.

Matthew 17:14-20 KJV
14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,
15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Lee · Feb 1, 2004

Hey didaskalos,

I see that you have experience in deliverance ministry. Can you share with us some of your testimonies?

-lee

SavedByGrace3 · Feb 4, 2004

Lee said:
Hey didaskalos,

I see that you have experience in deliverance ministry. Can you share with us some of your testimonies?

-lee

We had a neighbor family that had adopted a boy who had come from an abusive home. The boy was in his teens at the time I met them. His was full of problems that nobody seemed to be able to deal with. The authorities had declared him mentally retarded. He would not go to school, was often abusive to his step parents, and was constantly fighting with other kids. He could not read, but did have an interest in the Bible, which I tried to help teach him to read. I would visit the family and share the Bible with them occasionally and they all were receptive including him. Yet when I left he would again become abusive. One day the nephew of the family came running to our door and explained that this troubled youth had a baseball bat and was threatening to kill the mother, and would I please come and help. I ran up to the house and saw the young man in the front yard with the bat over his head yelling obscenities at his step mother. I yelled his name and he looked at me with a fierce look on his face. I said "In the name of Jesus come out of Him you foul spirit!"
A look of astonishment came over his face, he lowered the bat, looked around confused, and went in the house. I further shared the Bible with them, and he became very calm. After that event, he started going to school, and we helped teach him to read. He eventually finished school, was married and had children. He continued to have problems off and on, but was much better! I lost touch with him some years ago.

Lee · Feb 4, 2004

didaskalos said:
We had a neighbor family that had adopted a boy who had come from an abusive home. The boy was in his teens at the time I met them. His was full of problems that nobody seemed to be able to deal with. The authorities had declared him mentally retarded. He would not go to school, was often abusive to his step parents, and was constantly fighting with other kids. He could not read, but did have an interest in the Bible, which I tried to help teach him to read. I would visit the family and share the Bible with them occasionally and they all were receptive including him. Yet when I left he would again become abusive. One day the nephew of the family came running to our door and explained that this troubled youth had a baseball bat and was threatening to kill the mother, and would I please come and help. I ran up to the house and saw the young man in the front yard with the bat over his head yelling obscenities at his step mother. I yelled his name and he looked at me with a fierce look on his face. I said "In the name of Jesus come out of Him you foul spirit!"
A look of astonishment came over his face, he lowered the bat, looked around confused, and went in the house. I further shared the Bible with them, and he became very calm. After that event, he started going to school, and we helped teach him to read. He eventually finished school, was married and had children. He continued to have problems off and on, but was much better! I lost touch with him some years ago.

wow! I hope that young man has found Christ in his life to help him deal with his issues. Thank you for the testimony.

Blade · Feb 4, 2004

Hi didaskalos I understand what you are saying but I think you are making satan and his kingdom out to be more dumb than he really is. We see in the word where Sceva's sons spoke to a spirit. They tried to cast it out with Paul's Jesus. The spirit said "Jesus I know and Paul I know but who are you? And then enter him." You are saying some stuff that is not in the word. We can shout the name of Jesus all we want at the devil that's not gona make him leave. He will leave when he knows that we know what were saying, like you said Faith.

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