Praxiteles said:
The long and the short of it would be that if we could get to the point where we all respected every human voice as equal we would avoid a lot of problems that we have now.
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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The long and the short of it would be that if we could get to the point where we all respected every human voice as equal we would avoid a lot of problems that we have now.
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Erock83 said:
How so?
Be certain that you aren't confusing 'lack of faith' for the presence of something else, such as political ideology.
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Erock83 said:
OK - that sounds nice. Should we respect the opinion/view of a rabid racist?
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Erock83 said:
Sorry, I missed this before.
Thank you. That's kind of you to say.
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Praxiteles said:
How so?
Be certain that you aren't confusing 'lack of faith' for the presence of something else, such as political ideology.
No but a verdant and oppressive rejection of faith would be bad, i.e. atheism on crack.
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The only way to not get cut by a two-edged sword is to not let it be used in the first place.Praxiteles said:
So does the mafia...
Hang in there, partner. At least you're applying thought and logic to the discussion: something rarely found when arguing with a fundie.I can't believe I'm arguing *for* faith....
I would agree with perhaps "too hard."
Stay frosty.
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Praxiteles said:
Well if we all had the utmost respect for each other then I dont see to many racist running around. This idea obviously is utopian and would never work. I just suggest that we take the moral high ground and do it anyway.
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Erock83 said:
Hmmm.
Oppressive anything would be bad. I can't quite see how an oppressive rejection of faith would work, unless it was forcibly replaced by something else, such as has happened in Soviet Russia and the PRC with ideology.
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EvoDan said:
Never said you had to accept, agree, or even take the opinion into account in your life ever again. Just respect their right to have that opinion instead of telling them to shut up.
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Erock83 said:
Yes, but what about more subtle affronts to society, such as...
The Bush administrations policy on AIDS prevention and birth control,
The Bush admins assault on the environment,
The Bush admins support for teaching creationism in our public schools,
etc,
etc,
etc,
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I hope Praxiteles didn't leave: I was enjoying the debate.
EvoDan said:
Anything that Bush says is quite odd but still I respect the fact that he as those opinions, but I will fight (not violently) forever to stop any of those ideas coming to reality.
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Erock83 said:
That's my point: faith-based agendas are very oftem subtle and obtuse. (for example, school vouchers) Without wholly secular "lemon tests" applied rigorously to ALL aspects of society, we are doomed as a progressive nation.
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EvoDan said:
That's hardly likely, though, is it? In any case, any tool, if misused, can be destructive.
Really? How is the mafia cohesive? I would call that oppressive rather than cohesive.
Faith is here to stay. I'm realistic about that. Humans have a tendency toward magic thinking - probably as a part of the pattern recognition hardwired into our brains that developed as they evolved. Mostly this is reflected in accurate recognition of a pattern, but sometimes it identifies patterns that aren't really there.
Since we're always going to have to deal with faith, whether we personally hold the faith or not, it is going to have to be kept under regulation. Pretty much like any other human activity. However, like other human activities, ultimate regulation is impossible outside authoritarian structures. And I certainly wouldn't want to be arguing for one of those!
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