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He cannot verify (and by that I think he means demonstrate) that God exists, or that Jesus is the only way to reach God. The inability to verify however, does not stop him from believing it, and that my friend, is called faith.
Most YEC creationists say that the Earth is roughly 6,000 years old - some go as high as 10,00 and some go as low as 4,000. Why?
We cannot say "Because the Bible says so" because the Bible does not mention the age of the Earth or the universe at all. I suspect part of the reason it's hard to get an accurate date is because Creationists themselves don't know where these figures come from. Various people thought the world began ...
One man - Archbishop Usher of Armagh, 1650 - went even further and calculated many of the major events of the Bible:
- 3761 BC (Jewish Calender)
- 3952 BC (Bede, 8th century monk)
- 5199 BC (Roman Catholic church)
Say what you will, you can't accuse him of not being thorough.
- Creation began on Sunday 23rd October 4004 BC
- Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden on Monday 10th November
- Noah's Ark reached dry land on Wednesday 5th May 2348 BC
- Christ was actually born in 4 BC, exactly four thousand years after the begining of creation
Most modern creationists take the simplier approach. 2 Peter 3:8 and Pslam 90:4 both say that one thousand years is like a day with the Lord. The Earth and the universe were created in six days, ergo they are only 6000 years old.
Do creationists, who base the age of the Earth on Biblical chronology, realise the influencial people they're disagreeing with?
That is very common. I remember once a friend of mine was so proud that he converted a JW to a Baptist. He did not think JW's were saved. It is not the denomination that saves, it is Jesus that saves people. In fact when Jesus talks to the 7 churches we are told that people needed to overcome. Rev 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,"those are the (denomination), they think they are the only ones here.
Yup -- and what is an overcomer?That is very common. I remember once a friend of mine was so proud that he converted a JW to a Baptist. He did not think JW's were saved. It is not the denomination that saves, it is Jesus that saves people. In fact when Jesus talks to the 7 churches we are told that people needed to overcome. Rev 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,"
There was 4,000 years from Adam to Christ. We have the generations listed in the Bible and the science of population genetics is able to verify that to some degree.Christ was actually born in 4 BC, exactly four thousand years after the begining of creation
You were there?Remember Adam lived in the Middle East in the fertile crescent.
Yup -- and what is an overcomer?
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
According to you -- we were right there, eh?Christianity means racism, lies and bigotry, where were the "CHRISTIANS" when the black people were being mistreated in the US?
Are you answering your own question?most of the 'so call CHRISTIANS' were doing the mistreating.
Then what's the problem?I bet less than 1 tenth of the people in the US who say they are "CHRISTIANS" are in fact Christians.
Yet there are mulitple geneologies in the bible that do not match. Nor is it clear that all geneological entries in the bible are single generation, or that some may not be mythical or legendary.As for the chronology between Adam and Christ the Bible makes a very clear time line.
http://www.biblestudy.net/Helps/Condensed_Timeline.pdf
The only reasonable explanation is to not assume we can determine the age of the earth by reading scripture.Before Adam the Bible only states that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth; until Einstein the problem of the greater universe and what we observed from earth seemed an incongruity.
There can be a reasonable explanation reconciling a 6000 year old creation and the apparent age of the universe by assuming a Cosmological General Relativity Model that also conforms to Special Relativity on smaller scales. The model need not be any more speculative than the Big Bang; which really isnt saying much.
What evidence? You are conflating rationalization with evidence.I believe that the current science seen threw the perspective of the Bible can provide adequate evidence for a YEC paradigm.
I find creationist paradigms dwarfed by the reality exposed by scientifc investigation... I don't care.I find influential people and there perspectives dwarfed by the Bible I dont care.
As for the chronology between Adam and Christ the Bible makes a very clear time line.
Originally Posted by Jazer
So to believe means to walk in love and follow the teachings of Jesus.
But very few Christians do.
But most US Christians don't even try.
But most US Christians don't even try.
Let me suggest no matter how the Christian stands there will always be criticism. The difference between Christianity and all other religions is the doctrine of forgiveness. The true Christian is not perfect only forgiven.
Mark 3:28
New International Version (NIV)
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,
Let me suggest no matter how the Christian stands there will always be criticism. The difference between Christianity and all other religions is the doctrine of forgiveness. The true Christian is not perfect only forgiven.
Mark 3:28
New International Version (NIV)
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,
The greater the lie the more it's believed, Christians believe that Christianity is too big a lie not to be the truth.
Scientists like to boast of their discoveries, sans God; but I have to wonder where they would be today on the technological scale if they would all worship God and let His Holy Spirit guide them "into all truth."
Cancer, for example would probably be a thing of the past by now, ya think?
It does NOT. the existence of god is not a scientific question. individual scientists may express their disbelieve, "science" doesn't.Science has overstepped itself in our time. It involves itself in the theological debate by positing there is no God
Science doesn't. Again, individual scientists may do so, "science" doesn't.and ridicules believers.
Correct. And science is'nt a shopping mall where you can take what you like, and leave behind what you dislike. You can not accept the results of radio activity at Fukushima at one momentt and discard radio active dating the next moment. Not without big cognitive dissonance, that is.At the same time, however, religious people must understand that science plays an important role in our lives.
I also have good reason to believe in the Genesis flood (YEC) because of a recent discovery I believe for good reason soft tissue from dinosaur bones can not last 70 million years (it is impossible).
Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, its still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.
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