God created us and his omniscience entails he knew a vast number would accept Christ and end up in Heaven and a vast number would not accept Christ and end up in Hell. God does not need us. Why then, did God create us?
Why Create Us?
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‘God is a God of love but His love is not like our love. God doesn’t want to love Himself He loves.others. Wanting to love others and that presented the problem. In order for love to be love man had to have free will. As you sayGod knew so many would live and so many would die. God chose to sacrifice His Son to save all of those who were perishing. The Lord only required one thing, belief. If you are drowning and don’t believe the boat is there to save you is it the owner of the boat to blame when you drown.the Lord will not force anyone from using their free will. But He has done all He can to save everyone.
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God created us to have a family. That's what father's like tod do. God was Father from the beginning so it makes sense that that He would want children. We were created in God's image.
If you want a relationship of any reality, it has to be based on choice. People generally do not enjoy a forced marriage. If you offer people a choice, you run the risk of people choosing against what you prefer. That's what Adam and Eve did. It cost God the life of His own Son to restore people to Himself. Again, it is a matter of choice. Some choose God, some reject Him.
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"God did not create the world in order to satisfy some need of His. Rather he created it without compulsion and without force in order that it might enjoy His blessings and share in His goodness. God then brought all things into being out of nothing, creating both the visible and the invisible."
Orthodox Perspectives on Creation - Society Articles - Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
Orthodox Perspectives on Creation - Society Articles - Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
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If God created a universe that had to physically evolve as he expected, that had to biologically evolve, possibly with a bit of direct manipulation or gardening on his part and life evolved with we humans after several billion years being the first fleshly creatures with intelligence and communication capabilities, then it would not be a surprise he would be interested in us. If God had many worlds that developed large life forms like the dinosaurs, birds, fish, and other alien life forms, but did not have the mental capacities and communication abilities like we do, then yes, we would be special beings to him. Ones that God and his angels could communicate with by THE WORD unlike other creatures. God would value us.
As emotional beings unlike a robot, he would love some of us. He would have idealistic goals for us. He would dislike our shortcomings and poor behaviors and try to remedy them. He would hate evil doers. And he would feel mental anguish when we had pain and especially when we as fleshly mortal entities died. As a positive creator, all such negatives would detract from his creation thus He would work to eliminate such.
Note my science oriented perspective does not subscribe to Bible inerrancy and infallibility, multi-universes, god is on another plain of existence, time travel, precognition, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, miracles like magic. I do lean towards an understanding of God as the ultimate intelligent entity of the universe but not with unlimited powers or knowledge.
As emotional beings unlike a robot, he would love some of us. He would have idealistic goals for us. He would dislike our shortcomings and poor behaviors and try to remedy them. He would hate evil doers. And he would feel mental anguish when we had pain and especially when we as fleshly mortal entities died. As a positive creator, all such negatives would detract from his creation thus He would work to eliminate such.
Note my science oriented perspective does not subscribe to Bible inerrancy and infallibility, multi-universes, god is on another plain of existence, time travel, precognition, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, miracles like magic. I do lean towards an understanding of God as the ultimate intelligent entity of the universe but not with unlimited powers or knowledge.
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And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. - Revelation 12:3-4
We were created to fill the vacated positions of the Arch Angel Lucifer and his third of the angels. They know it, which is why they war for their vacated positions. They do not want us playing with their old toys.
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I believe one of the attributes of God is creativity. I believe creation is simply an exercise of creativity on God's part, similar to a work of art or music on the part of a creative human. I believe that God blessed us with libertarian free will and is enjoying the show. Of course there is more purpose and depth to it than that, but I do believe that the fundamental explanation is that "creation is God being creative, because that's who God is and what He does."
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Thank you. I’m reminded of the story of a man caught on his roof during a flood who’s convinced God will save him and turns away 2 boats and a helicopter. What I’m getting at is a few steps before that. We wouldn’t be in need of saving if we didn’t exist in the first place. God is sufficient on his own so what possible motive could he have had for creating us knowing many would end up in hell?
Thank you. I’m reminded of the story of a man caught on his roof during a flood who’s convinced God will save him and turns away 2 boats and a helicopter. What I’m getting at is a few steps before that. We wouldn’t be in need of saving if we didn’t exist in the first place. God is sufficient on his own so what possible motive could he have had for creating us knowing many would end up in hell?
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This would make a very good question to keep in mind in all that you read in the Bible, just to see if you find an answer. From us you'll get opinions. Some would say you'd just get more opinions from the Bible. But you might find an answer there that really speaks to your heart.
For me, the answer lies in Jesus. He shows us what the Father is like. He told us what God had already told us, and He showed us what it looked like. He had compassion on the vulnerable. He let the phonies who bragged that they had the "Truth" - but were not doing it and not helping others to know and do it - clearly know they had missed the point.
There might be more than the way you've been taught God. Your best life work would be to seek Him for yourself. I find the Bible a compelling read so I highly recommend it. When you come to an answer, I'd be interested to hear it, Friend.
For me, the answer lies in Jesus. He shows us what the Father is like. He told us what God had already told us, and He showed us what it looked like. He had compassion on the vulnerable. He let the phonies who bragged that they had the "Truth" - but were not doing it and not helping others to know and do it - clearly know they had missed the point.
There might be more than the way you've been taught God. Your best life work would be to seek Him for yourself. I find the Bible a compelling read so I highly recommend it. When you come to an answer, I'd be interested to hear it, Friend.
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Yes! This is what I had thought for quite some time. God desired a relationship with us as a loving father. I don’t yet have children but I do want kids in the future. If I knew that were I to father three children, one would be taken at birth and tormented its entire life, I would not have children. It’s not worth it. Am I missing something?
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What you are saying is you would not be able to make good use of such a tragic thing.
But God has used the murder of His own Son for such great good for us who have trusted in Jesus.
And He is doing the best thing He can, by processing evil to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone. And there are people, yes, who are serving as vessels for carrying evil's filthy spirit to where it will be kept. This is why we are told to be purified, by God, of any anti-love things in us >
"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)
So, part of why God created people is so He has vessels for organizing things of evil into the flaming sewer.
Plus > Romans 8:29. And you can read what Jesus has claimed in prayer for those who receive His word > John 17.
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