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This is untrue. Jesus uses leaven as a symbol for the Kingdom of God in the Parable of the Leaven.
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If you want a more in-depth explanation of "after the meal," I suggest picking up a Messianic Passover Hagaddah. Pretty much any one of them would do.
I put out a digital downloadable one which is available on most e-readers or on Amazon. It is priced as low as the publisher would allow me to go.
Of course. That is actually part of the ceremony.They still had a meal, though. Scripture says "while they were eating".
Of course. That is actually part of the ceremony.
And the basic outline which I (and everyone else) followed was laid out in the first century bc.
Yes. But that's far removed from the way that most churches today observe communion. Which involves special liturgy, congregation file up to a communion rail to receive a tiny piece of bread and small sip/thimbleful of wine/juice, which HAVE to have been blessed by an ordained person or it's not "valid".
Paul actually changed it from a full meal to just the elements in 1 Corinthians.Yes. But that's far removed from the way that most churches today observe communion.
We don't teach that doctrine. We do not believe the validity of the Lord's Supper is dependent on the person presiding.
However, for the purposes of good order and pastoral care, it's not lawful within our congregations to preside at the Lord's Supper without being called to do so through the congregation and the synod.
The sacrament is confected by God alone. The pastor or priest is merely called by God to administer the sacrament.
Paul actually changed it from a full meal to just the elements in 1 Corinthians.
1 Cor 11.33 So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment. The remaining matters I will arrange when I come.Where does it say that?
I doubt Paul would have changed something instigated by the Lord.
1 Cor 11.33 So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment. The remaining matters I will arrange when I come.
Right there Paul cut out the meal. (whether that was his intent or not) which reduced communion to just the bread and wine.
You are going to have to show us that it is so. The verse doesn't work as your evidence, so what else is there? I am of the impression that the agape meal was still a feature after Paul's death.Except this passage is why the church cut down from the meal to just the elements.
The bread that Jesus ate was most likely unleavened (without yeast). Grape juice had not been invented at that point in history.
And now the necessary questions. Would you drink a glass of it at that stage and consider it a decent beverage for serving with a meal? Also, how long will that juice remain as it is when first squeezed?If grape juice had not been invented how did they make wine? I do not think grape juice was invented. It is a naturally occurring thing. Every grape I have in my vineyard contains it.
The whole concept seems to be that the priest/Minister/Vicar/Bishop is representing Christ when they do this. But they spend the rest of the time telling us that if we have Christ in us and we are in Christ, then we represent him wherever we go. We are his ambassadors, 2 Corinthians 5:20, his witnesses, Acts of the Apostles 1:8. We are saved, called, chosen, anointed and sent by him - why can we not stand before a group of friends, or larger group of fellow believers, and say "let's break bread and worship the Lord together?
But again, that's not how it was in the NT. Jesus did not say "the church/synod will call you so that you can do this in memory of me".
When Paul criticised the Corinthian church for their attitude to the Lord's supper, he did not say "you observe it without a worthy/called/ordained/appointed person being present." There is no mention of the early church breaking bread with a special person presiding and saying certain words.
This is the LORD'S Supper; he instigated it, is present by his Spirit and we remember his sacrifice when he sent his Son to die for us.
None of us is worthy to even receive from the Lord - except by his mercy and grace - and having a call or a dog collar does not make a person any more worthy to distribute the elements than anyone else
The whole concept seems to be that the priest/Minister/Vicar/Bishop is representing Christ when they do this.
But they spend the rest of the time telling us that if we have Christ in us and we are in Christ, then we represent him wherever we go.
why can we not stand before a group of friends, or larger group of fellow believers, and say "let's break bread and worship the Lord together?
But why a Pastor or priest? Why not the missionary with 20 years service? Or churchgoer-all-his-life who has just been baptised in the Spirit? Or the young, student, street evangelist who is winning souls to Christ?
This is untrue. Jesus uses leaven as a symbol for the Kingdom of God in the Parable of the Leaven.
I don't know whether he did or not - nor, I suspect, do you.
But the host called it the best wine.
Whatever wine they had had as part of the wedding ceremony; the wine Jesus made, surpassed that.
It was best in quality of taste and not by the level of alcoholic content. Even wine tasters of today do not judge how good a wine is based solely on it's alcoholic content.
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