Why Christians do eat pork despite its...

[Futuwwa]

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat..."

This refers to cadaver, to animals found dead rather than slaughtered.

 

[Henaynei]

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat..."

please give scripture address

 

[peaceful soul]

you may want to review the rules of this site, rules which we all had to agree to obey when granted the privilege of posting here:
you can find all the rules here: http://www.christianforums.com/rules

I was not talking about the rules. I am talking in general when someone tells me that they are a Christian and do things consistently contradictory to scripture. I will question their authenticity just as I will question the authenticity of any other person who say that they belong to a certain group whether religious, political, or whatever mold they fit.

 

[peaceful soul]

You're not supposed to question everyone's Christianity--where does it say you should? Unfortunately for you--(and I know this must irk you) but you are supposed to leave the judging of that kind of stuff to God.

I'm really begining to hate this crap with "oh people shouldn't call themselves Christian because they don't believe the same way I do.--only those who are like me or believe like me are Christian--only those who interpret scripture like us are Christian--blah blah blah"

Get over it. I'm not less Christian than you and neither is anyone else.

By the way..like the previous poster mentioned CF policy...when you get a warning for questioning people's Christianity don't complain.

And don't ever talk down to me.

You evidently misunderstand what I posted. I am talking about discerning Christianity. If you exemplify traits that are inconsistent with scripture, I am not going to tell myself that I should not give any thought that you may not be holding to sound scripture. I am going to make mental notes and observe who you are. And, if I see a consistent pattern of your violating scripture, I have no choice but to reason that you are not what you claim to be. That goes with any group that you may claim to represent.

Are you advocating that everyone that says they are a Christian are truly one? If so, what is your standard of identification?

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

Yeah but you simply call into question people's Christiantiy just because they may not agree about scripture or see scripture the way you do, and you really can't do that--and moreover you shouldn't. You do not represent all of Christiantiy so by doing what you do, you pretty much are saying that if someone isn't a Christian just like you--they aren't a Christian at all--and that's wrong.

What I advocate is that you leave the decision making on whether or not someone is a Christian to God. God has a pretty good standard I would guess of identification..better than me or you.

 

[peaceful soul]

Yeah but you simply call into question people's Christiantiy just because they may not agree about scripture or see scripture the way you do, and you really can't do that--and moreover you shouldn't. You do not represent all of Christiantiy so by doing what you do, you pretty much are saying that if someone isn't a Christian just like you--they aren't a Christian at all--and that's wrong.

What I advocate is that you leave the decision making on whether or not someone is a Christian to God. God has a pretty good standard I would guess of identification..better than me or you.

Could you please explain to me exactly you think that I have been saying. So far, you are so far off what I am saying that it is simply agonizing to even read what you are spewing out. Do you have a clue about what I am saying? You act as I am eternally judging some. We are to be mindful of what scripture says so that we can discern the scriptural from the unscriptural. If I just accept everything a Christian says without making judgments upon what they say in light of scripture, then I am being a fool. is that so hard to understand?

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

Could you please explain to me exactly you think that I have been saying. So far, you are so far off what I am saying that it is simply agonizing to even read what you are spewing out. Do you have a clue about what I am saying? You act as I am eternally judging some. We are to be mindful of what scripture says so that we can discern the scriptural from the unscriptural. If I just accept everything a Christian says without making judgments upon what they say in light of scripture, then I am being a fool. is that so hard to understand?

I'm being pretty darn blunt. You seem to have the problem understanding here, and that's pretty agonizing on this end. You can spew your view all you want but instead of attacking me, why don't you answer the issue at hand!


Answer these questions...its an easy one. What makes you the final authority of what interpretaion of what scripture is correct!? Are you saying that someone isn''t a Christian because they say and do something YOU do not feel is scriptural. Do you feel you have the right to question another person's Christianity? What about those questions don't you understand?

My initial concern wasn't even about you, but another poster because they complained about another Christian quoting several lines from the Qu'ran, and questioned that posters Christianity by doing so.

 

[Xpycoctomos]

man.. this is a HUGE thread for such a simple issue. lol

 

[Henaynei]

man.. this is a HUGE thread for such a simple issue. lol

maybe beause it is not simple as is sometimes assumed

 

[Xpycoctomos]

Right... but to go on for 429 posts? isn't there a time when you just say... hmmm... I think you and I are not going to agree (and if we do it won't be becuase of this thread - lol).

Anyhow... adios and God bless !

John

 

[Henaynei]

Could you please explain to me exactly you think that I have been saying. So far, you are so far off what I am saying that it is simply agonizing to even read what you are spewing out. Do you have a clue about what I am saying? You act as I am eternally judging some. We are to be mindful of what scripture says so that we can discern the scriptural from the unscriptural. If I just accept everything a Christian says without making judgments upon what they say in light of scripture, then I am being a fool. is that so hard to understand?

maybe you could consider the fact that more than one poster here has had the same response to your statements - it sounds like you are saying that you feel it necessary to vet every statement of every poster who claims to be Christian to determine if their statements and doctrine line up with scripture - but in setting yourself up as the judge of that you are bound to use your doctrine and theology (aka as your understanding and interpretation) of scripture --- and then you determine if that individual is or is not a qualified Christian. You know, maybe you do need to do that - BUT it is against the rules of this forum and, frankly, inappropriate to comment on your determination in your post, especially since you are making your determination solely based on the hits of a few key strokes on a cybercommunication site - that is like trying to determine someone's nationality from their voice when you can only hear the consonants.....

btw - I do not claim to be Christian, and I do not qualify as a Christian according to the forum rules. I AM a submitted and committed follower and servant of Yeshua (aka Jesus).

b'Shalom
Henaynei

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why do Christian eat Pork?

Because they are Hungry! LOL

Hi Skill. Have you ever had pork chops or crispy fried bacon in your entire life?
Actually I consider crispy fried pork blood as a rather very tasty delicacy, and is also how I like my bacon and pork chops cooked.

Matt 24:19 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

 

[peaceful soul]

maybe you could consider the fact that more than one poster here has had the same response to your statements - it sounds like you are saying that you feel it necessary to vet every statement of every poster who claims to be Christian to determine if their statements and doctrine line up with scripture - but in setting yourself up as the judge of that you are bound to use your doctrine and theology (aka as your understanding and interpretation) of scripture --- and then you determine if that individual is or is not a qualified Christian. You know, maybe you do need to do that - BUT it is against the rules of this forum and, frankly, inappropriate to comment on your determination in your post, especially since you are making your determination solely based on the hits of a few key strokes on a cybercommunication site - that is like trying to determine someone's nationality from their voice when you can only hear the consonants.....

btw - I do not claim to be Christian, and I do not qualify as a Christian according to the forum rules. I AM a submitted and committed follower and servant of Yeshua (aka Jesus).

b'Shalom
Henaynei

Both of you that have responded to my post totally miss what I was saying. I said that I will question everyting said to me in light of scripture. That means that if you say, for example, that you are a Christian and then deny that Jesus is the Christ, then I am certainly going to call into question your Christianity on the grounds that scripture says that if you don't believe in Christ's salvific works, you can not be saved since His salvivic works are crucial to our salvation. That is just as much a judgment based on scripture as Christian forums makes when they deny certain people to right to associate themselves with Christianity by disallowing certain icons from being used by them.

The scripture becomes the basis of my guidance as to what I should and should not accept from any individual as Truth. I don't really see how that was so difficult to grasp - unless of course, I did not communicate that properly from the start. I gave examples to help you to understand what I was saying. I thought that would suffice. Evidently it didn't.

Just as Christian Forums is not eternally judging those that it discrimiantes against in their decision of allowing them to classified as Christians for the purpose of posting in the various forum subsections, I too choose to use a criteria to evaluate what people present to me in the name of Christianity.

To make things more clear: I am not saying that if a certain person lies, then that person is not Christian. What I would be declaring is that that person is not being Christian in their act. That makes a very distinct difference in what you are trying to attribute to my statements and what I am actually doing. I hope that makes things clear now. Those rules that you were trying to show me, thus, have no revelance to the discussion.

 

[Henaynei]

Both of you that have responded to my post totally miss what I was saying. I said that I will question everyting said to me in light of scripture. That means that if you say, for example, that you are a Christian and then deny that Jesus is the Christ, then I am certainly going to call into question your Christianity on the grounds that scripture says that if you don't believe in Christ's salvific works, you can not be saved since His salvivic works are crucial to our salvation. That is just as much a judgment based on scripture as Christian forums makes when they deny certain people to right to associate themselves with Christianity by disallowing certain icons from being used by them.

The scripture becomes the basis of my guidance as to what I should and should not accept from any individual as Truth. I don't really see how that was so difficult to grasp - unless of course, I did not communicate that properly from the start. I gave examples to help you to understand what I was saying. I thought that would suffice. Evidently it didn't.

Just as Christian Forums is not eternally judging those that it discrimiantes against in their decision of allowing them to classified as Christians for the purpose of posting in the various forum subsections, I too choose to use a criteria to evaluate what people present to me in the name of Christianity.

To make things more clear: I am not saying that if a certain person lies, then that person is not Christian. What I would be declaring is that that person is not being Christian in their act. That makes a very distinct difference in what you are trying to attribute to my statements and what I am actually doing. I hope that makes things clear now. Those rules that you were trying to show me, thus, have no revelance to the discussion.

the rules have every relevance

you can review this in your heart, and in your private discussions in your home - and yes, you are within your rights to state that someone is not behaving in a "Christian manner" - but that is NOT what you said:

Realize that not everyone sees the scripture the same due to different levels of understanding that are due to varied reasons. I question everyone's Christianity because I am suppose to. I am to be discerning of spiritual things which include those spiritual beings that claim to be Christians. I think that is fairly simple to understand.

If someone who calls themself a Christian and then tell me they believe everyone will be saved, then don't you think that would be a problem with me believing that they are Christian? I would question anything that I understand to contradict scripture. People that believe unscriptural things are to be questioned, rightly so!

here you set yourself as the arbitrator of what is and is not scriptural, and who and who is not Christian based on your understanding of what is and is not scriptural.

 

[peaceful soul]

origianlly posted by Henaynei

the rules have every relevance

No they don't! I made it clear that scripture is my basis. Whether you think that I can correctly discern scripture is debatable and does not change the fact that we, as Christians, are supposed to make our judgements on matters with the scriptures. That is our essence of knowing what is right and wrong.

you can review this in your heart, and in your private discussions in your home - and yes, you are within your rights to state that someone is not behaving in a "Christian manner" - but that is NOT what you said:

If that is not what I said, then what did I say? I have not changed what I have said. I said all along that I am to discern what people say as being scriptural or not. I gave you examples of what I was referring to and you are saying that I am not within limits of scripture to do so. You claim that I have made myself the arbitratator or who is a Christian and who is not. I said that I have the responsibility of weighing what others say and even myself, to see if I am of the Truth in Christ. This can only be done by using the gold standard - scripture itself. I never said that I am an arbitratator of who is Christian or not. I said that I should judge whether their actions and/or statements are consistent with the Gospel. If they are not, then I should call into question as to whether they are Christian or not. That is pretty basic to anyone who is professing to be a Christian. You seem to think that it is not.

I think that you are confusing discernment with condemnation. I am not condemning anyone for not sharing my views, although the point of discussion is not my views, but my best to discern if their actions/views are consistent with what I understand about scripture. That is in no way violating any rules.

I pointed out to you that I am doing nothing different than what this Forum does when it denies certain people the right to bear the logos in their profile as being of the Christian persuasion or not. Judging by your responses so far, you would have a problem with me if I said that a Unitarian is not Christian if they do not believe in the Triunity of God. Well according to the Forum's definition, they are not considered Christian. And, I would not go so far to say that as a result, Christian Forums is saying that their hearts, individiually, are not seeking God or are not sincere in their relationship with God. Those kinds of things would be beyond my, your, or Christian Forums jurisdiction to judge.

here you set yourself as the arbitrator of what is and is not scriptural, and who and who is not Christian based on your understanding of what is and is not scriptural.

I am not an arbitrator of anyone's salvation, as you seem to be implying. I never said that or thought that. Making scriptural distinctions is not the same as determining someone's identity before God. God know's their heart whereas I don't. What God does give me is a way of testing all things - through spiritual discernment which in part comes from reading and studying scripture. If someone does not seem to be consistent with scripture, then I have to reason that they may not actually be a Christian according to what Jesus and His Disciples have taught us. That is hardly condemning them in any way. It is simply a value judgement based upon what I ascertain from scripture. If you think that I can't do that, then you are mistaken. How am I to make determinations if I don't have something to measure by. Now, if I simply used my human wisdom and made assessments, you would have more ground to stand on.

If you don't think that I have been consistent with my stance throughout, you should show me the post(s) that I deviated from what I am saying right now. I can make mistakes and cause you to misunderstand things; so, it is only fair that I let you do that and deal with matters respectfully. This subject really should not have gone past one or two simple dialogues. It was not supposed to be that complicated to understand.

 

[Henaynei]

If you don't think that I have been consistent with my stance throughout, you should show me the post(s) that I deviated from what I am saying right now. I can make mistakes and cause you to misunderstand things; so, it is only fair that I let you do that and deal with matters respectfully. This subject really should not have gone past one or two simple dialogues. It was not supposed to be that complicated to understand.

I did post it in my previous post - I agree, lets leave it at that....

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

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