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MidKnight

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Oncedeceived said:
What you have witnessed is the horrendous crimes commited when humans take life and death in their own hands. Yes, God allows those things to happen, knew they would happen but you see it as an act of an unloving God to allow it but you only see it from your viewpoint. You don't see it from God's. I know God's love and so I know His nature from experience to be loving and you haven't that ability.

I can accept that my perception of love, which includes directly protecting those I can within my ability, is different from that "love" which you ascribe to your concept of a God.

My view is that the version of love to which I hold is more beneficial to humanity.

In your line of work have you never seen the one that has taken the step to save someone at risk of his/her own life.

Yes.

Have you not seen heroic examples of love and unselfish disregard for their own lives when faced with possible death to save another?

Yes.

What of these examples?

They show that humans are required to protect and serve other humans.

No Gods have done so.

Do you only give the criminal equality to God or do you give the hero the same?

I give credit to those doing the protecting and blame to those committing the offense.

Wouldn't you?

If one has the ability, presence and foreknowledge of the offense and does nothing to prevent such acts...then they are obviously not the hero.

Of course, I am only addressing the proposed concept provided by theists (of any belief) that there are gods/angels doing the work to prevent such brutality that I've seen.

It is apparent that none exist, in my view


IF God did not allow our free agency to do what we will then we would not know the love behind the act of a hero.

I disagree.

The concept of heavenly paradise without such torment should also stand in direct conflict with this common Christian claim as well.

My question is, if peace/love/harmony is possible in some realm (posthumously, of course)...then what use is "free agency"?

Will there be this valuable "free agency" to give us continued contrast for love to be "known" in the afterlife?

Also, where was the "free agency" for these loving families:

Toll Rises

We would not know the love for another because we would not know the opposite of those things and we must to understand the other.

I disagree, again, see above.

I would not expect you to accept it from a religion, but you must accept it from God. God is not your equal but your superior, your Creator if it is as we claim.

I must accept the love which is more apparent and fits a claim.

"Gods" are nothing more than that which their adherents claim they are within their particular "religion".

If God were only a construct then I would probably agree. But if the followers are only following a construct then you don't believe that there were innocents killed in the first place so why charge the construct with immorality?

I am addressing the common Christian claim and showing the implausibility/conflict inherent within the said claim.

No. I am trying to answer to the best of my ability due to the fact that by my experience, and the authority of the Bible God is good and loving.

Again, if a person were to act the way that the Bible God does in the stories told of him...I would definitely not consider that person good and loving.

I address these claims specifically.

That He is superior and has the authority to take life and give life. That He alone knows what transpires when a person dies and that when that person dies He is there on the other side of death. Death is a doorway to Him and I don't think that He see death as we do.

Then there really is know way of knowing if this superior entity has a beneficial intent for humanity at all.

Nothing I haven't thought long and hard about. :)

I hope I have offered you some new insight.
 
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