why arn't all christians biblical?

[fluffycow]

I think thats the word for it, what I mean is only believing in the Bible. The Bible is the word of God, so why don't people belive in its contents and ONLY its contents?

Whats with all this catholic stuff, what do they believe that differs from the Bible, and why?

What about the Jews? and evangelical? I think these are called denominations, but im not sure. Why are there so many different ones?

 

Im kinda confused by the pope and things like that too.

 

[blerg1234]

Ok, well as far as I know, the Pope is the head of the Catholic church...

Jews aren't Christians, Jews are actually the people who follow the laws given by Moses, and they do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, therefore they refuse to follow the 'new' Christian beliefs.

With Catholicism, there are a few things that I don't understand about their beliefs, and some things I have heard of which seem a bit contradictive, but that's just my opinion.

 

[papakapp]

big Q

Anyway, Jews are basically decendants of Abraham. Abraham was a guy in the bible Who lived like 12 or so generations from Adam (Adam was the first man.) God made a covenant with Abraham and he called out all of Abrahams decendants to be a chosen group of people who were to obey God and in turn recieve blessings from God. Jews are a race, like Europeans, Asians, Africans or whatever.
Not that Jews are the only race that is told to obey God. For examle, In the bible the prophet Jonah was instructed by God to go and preach to a town called Ninevah. Ninevah was a non-Jewish town but God still wanted them to repent, and not sin and all that stuff.
Interestingly, Jews are the only race that has held on to their heritage without a country to call their own. They have a country now, but a hundred years ago they did not.
Anyway, Jews are kind of a special race that was called out by God.
There are Jews that are Christians today, but not all are. Some are even very anti Christian. There is actually an orginization called 'Jews against Jesus' (By the way, Jesus was a Jew.)

Anyway, on to Catholics. Jesus died and was raised from the dead about 2000 years ago. Jesus was prophesied about a TON in the old testament hundreds and even thousands of years before he ever came on the scene. Jesus is actually the final answer to the covenant, or deal that God set up with the Jewish nation through Abraham.
Anyway, when Jesus was resurected, that was the final step to set up the church that we have today. We could really call the resurection of Jeusus the birth of the true church. And onced born, it grew like crazy.
Now Satan did not like the church. he influenced kings and rulers and important people to persecute the church. They fed christians to lions and burned them alive and other cruel stuff. funny thing was that only made the church flourish and grow and become more resolved.
That wasn't working to Satan tried another tactic.
He influenced a ruler named Constantine to merge christianity with his own form of religion. his religion had a hirearchy of holy people in it simmilar to the Pope and bishops in the Catholic church today. The bible teaches that once Jesus died and was raised, every single person has direct access to God. No hirearchy needed.
His religion also had ledgends of a godess who gave birth to a god that died. In the catholic church mary is prayed to as if diety today. The bible teaches us how to pray, and we are told to pray to God.
Anyway, Constantine succeded in merging his religion with christianity and thus watering it down. Now, not all Christians in that day went along with it, but many did so the catholic church is still around today.
There are catholics who are christians, but if you look at the doctorine of the catholic church, you can clearly see things that were not taken from the bible.

On to denominations. There are many denominations, and sub-denominations. (protestant, evangelical, reformed, etc...) Most denominations come about when a true church looses its passion. Especially its passion for Jesus. When that happens, eventually a revival takes place. A revival is when many christians re-discover this passion for the gospel message. They tend to break off and assume a new name to distinguish themselves. You can find individual churches today from every denomination that has lost their passion and individual churches that have retained or re discovered their passion. The result is quite confusing since that name any church carries today has absolutely nothing to do with wether or not a person will be spiritually fed by attending that church. Sadly, most churches today in the US are dead.
Compare this with the undergorund churches in China today. It is a pretty safe bet that anyone in China willing to risk attending an underground church is a true christian.
It is not a simple task for a new christian in the US to know exactly what to look for when seeking a spiritually vibrant church since new christians generally have not experienced a whole lot of what it is that they need to be spiritually fed. I thought I was a christian for many years untill I lived with a person who was a true christian. It was then obvious that I did not have what he had so I began seeking. Praise the Lord that He will show you the answers if you earnestly seek!

 

[fluffycow]

Oops.... posted in the wrong forum...Actually I am a christian but a fairly new one. Im a biblical one and I don't go to church. I got the answers I wanted anyway so I guess it doesn't matter that I put it in wrong forum :o

 

Thank you .


Edited an inappropriate comment about Catholics; Rule 1 (no flaming).

 

[papakapp]

In that case, Welcome!

Do you know any christians that really have a special presence about them?
I recomend you find a bible believing church and get plugged in to a bible study where you can experience fellowship with other believers. It is the best way to grow. It also helps you remain strong in your faith and it holds you accountable.
In short...
You are a new christian. GREAT! Now, there is a whole new world to explore, Don't settle, ever. Always continue to learn and grow.

 

[isshinwhat]

As a Catholic, I can reccommend several Early Christian writings which predate Constantine by 200+ years, yet still show the Church looking like the Catholic Church of today. Please don't judge any expression of the Christian Faith harshly before you understand it. I would like to invite you to the One Bread-One Body forum where you can ask any questions you may have about the Catholic Faith. We do not worship Mary, nor do we think the Pope can do no wrong. Everything is Biblically sound, as well, so please stop in sometime and ask us anything you are curious about.

http://www.christianforums.com/forums/26.html

Goodnight, and God Bless,

Neal

 

[Pastor N.B.]

A True Christian is converted. (Born Again) The ten commandment law, called the Royal Law in James 2:10-12 is the standard of Judgement that we 'ALL' will be finally judged by to see in we are REAL Christians. (also read Ecc. 12:13 & 14.
And 1 John 2:4 tells of both the Christian & the professed kind of 'c'hristian, as he details *your question. (your question is a good one!)

Why are there so many different kinds of professed 'ones'? It is for two reasons at least. First, most are not Born Again. So Christ's law is not recreated in the heart & mind. These ones say that it is done away with, voided out. And most live as it was. Yet, Paul states that because it is now supposed to be re created into our hearts, (and it is just for the real few) that he states the 'Inspired Truth' for the real Christians in Rom. 3:31. "DO WE MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW." (ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS!) So we see that it does not take a rocket scientist to understand this verse! (All else is of the evil one! see 1 John 4:6))

Now for another kind of REAL Christian. And I Pray & Trust (faith!) that there are VERY MANY OF THESE! The denominations that you speak of are all in OPEN error. So none have the living Truth. Even though [one] has the Truth. And in Rev. 17:5 it tells us that there is a Mother (Catholic) and daughters of [harlots] which are all an abomination on earth.

*Yet, inside of these false FOLDS (see John 10:16) are where these TRUE CHRISTIANS will still be at, as the end of time is NOW approaching. This is what the Mark of the Beast is all about, it is a TESTING TO SEPERATE THE FALSE FROM THESE REAL CHRISTIANS! But they will NOW DECIDE AND LEAVE THESE FALSE FOLDS or they will be ETERNALLY LOST & HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE SINS OF THE DENOMINATIONS! Read it in Rev. 18:4.-------Hope that this helps to understand your question better? So my question for the Real Christian, Why wait? P/N/B/

 

[Brian45]

Pastor N. B. How can we tell the mark of the beast ?

 

[Lynn]

Welcome

I'd like to make a suggestion. There is much false information that is told about the Catholic Church. If you would like to know about our faith, please feel free to join us in One Bread/One Body. There you will be able to learn from those who have spent many years praying and studying about the Catholic Church. You'll find that we do not worship Mary, we do not believe the Pope is infallible in all situations, and we do not sacrifice Jesus every day, etc.

You will be made very welcome. We always enjoy meeting new folks.

lynn

 

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by Brian45
Pastor N. B. How can we tell the mark of the beast ?

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Lots of ways if one is mature in 'the faith'.
That means BELIEVING the Words of the Master. All of them as in 2 Tim. 3:16. If that passes our maturity? Then try Eccl. 1:9-10 & [if] we still are saying well Lord, 'i' er, well i know that some times...? If that is our 'growth'
then we need TO ESTABLISH that He does not waste Words! (smile) So, He gives another verse in book 3 of Eccl. 3:15 to tell us again, SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT! OK? If not, just wait to see? For the time is just about here, regardless.

But just in case you can handle this? Then the next thing that you need to look for is a HISTORY REPEATED TEST that came JUST BEFORE the entering of the [Land of Canaan] for His people the first time! I believe that is what Christianity is all about?? Our Heavenly Land Of Caanan eternally with Christ our Master

Anyway, read the second history to be repeated at earths closing in Ex. 16.
Verse 4 tells us what the test will be. It is said that God [will PROVE] them, wheather they will walk in [MY LAW, OR NO]. Interesting here, for the test is His LAW! But notice that the only part that they are again to be tested on is THE 4 th Commandment of the LAW THAT HE HAS WRITTEN IN OUR HEARTS! See 2 Cor. 3:3. (The Sabbath Commandment-read James 2:10-12-and Eccl. 12:13-14 with 1 John 2:4) Any how in verse 28 ibide. we see their 'real FAITH in the Master' stated!

"And the Lord said unto Moses, How long [REFUSE YE] TO KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS AND MY LAWS?" They were [ALL] broken by breaking the one [Sabbath] commandment.

Now, what does the larger portion of 'c'hristiandom agree on today? And ask yourself if you think that there could be UNITY on anything else other that Sunday sacredness ? Now there is MUCH MUCH more, but this is a short cut for anyone who REALLY believes the Word of God. It is a very rare occasion where history does not repeat itself in the Master's Word. If fact He tells us when that happens, because it is easier to locate the few times than the latter. Case in point:

The 'flood'. No second World Flood, He Gospilized this fact in His Word, Fact!
Sin?? 'Sin WILL NOT ARISE A SECOND TIME' see Nahum 1:9.
Couple more of repeated histories for 'honest seekers' is the 'earth' before its creation! And at the time of the 1000 yrs. of emptyness? Before its creation, who was here literally chained by a set of circumstances? Another is the Everlasting Gospel? Matt. 24:14 & Rom. 10:18, Twice to the world to have been finished! And the crucifixion? Try Heb. 6:6.

And do you not think that there were angels who needed the Masters Grace who were at one time borderline? And just a 'rough' one perhaps? Adam & Eve's first creation (as in pro/creation) fell from grace, and God said that He required History to be repeated, so who was God's FIRST CREATION? Or does God not mean, ".. and God [requireth that which IS PAST]." ---P/N/B/ (I doubt if you are ready for this? )

 

[Pastor N.B.]

Hay,
tell us what we are saying that is false? It must require the Master's Word to mean anything of importance! Or do not Catholics use another BOOK in place of inspiration? Is this true or not? I have reference to the 'catechism', which Webster's dictionary startes: 'is summary or test (as of religious doctrine)' This is their marks.

To use the [extra books] are the reason other denominations are called CULTS, is it not [forum]?? So, who is the LARGEST CULT WORLDWIDE then??

And about Moses Law that was nailed to the Cross, the one called the Law of Moses in Deut. 31, that [HE WROTE IN A BOOK]? This set of laws were the ones that directed the work of the OLD TESTAMENT's [human priests.] Catholicism has also not given up these! (true or false)

And we are so UNITED with Catholics today that we might ask the question, who cares???

And who does care if one puts the Pope in place of Christ in today's High Priest setting? Very few of the Protestants it seems, for what do they have to protest over? see Rev. 17:15-18---P/N/B/

PS: No offence meant to Catholics Lynn & others. It is possible that these young'ins are just not very well matured off milk as of yet? See Rev. 18:4. Sins in the Catholic church?? Where are they at pray tell? Did you hear the evening news tonight? Read Joshua 7:12's last part for the Truth of the matter! and then read Rev. 3:9? BUT THIS IS NOT THEIR DENOMINATION, BUT THAT OF ANOTHER)
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Originally posted by Lynn
Welcome

I'd like to make a suggestion. There is much false information that is told about the Catholic Church. If you would like to know about our faith, please feel free to join us in One Bread/One Body. There you will be able to learn from those who have spent many years praying and studying about the Catholic Church. You'll find that we do not worship Mary, we do not believe the Pope is infallible in all situations, and we do not sacrifice Jesus every day, etc.

You will be made very welcome. We always enjoy meeting new folks.

lynn

 

[Annabel Lee]

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.

Now for another kind of REAL Christian. And I Pray & Trust (faith!) that there are VERY MANY OF THESE! The denominations that you speak of are all in OPEN error. So none have the living Truth. Even though [one] has the Truth. And in Rev. 17:5 it tells us that there is a Mother (Catholic) and daughters of [harlots] which are all an abomination on earth.

*Yet, inside of these false FOLDS (see John 10:16) are where these TRUE CHRISTIANS will still be at, as the end of time is NOW approaching. This is what the Mark of the Beast is all about, it is a TESTING TO SEPERATE THE FALSE FROM THESE REAL CHRISTIANS! But they will NOW DECIDE AND LEAVE THESE FALSE FOLDS or they will be ETERNALLY LOST & HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE SINS OF THE DENOMINATIONS! Read it in Rev. 18:4.-------Hope that this helps to understand your question better? So my question for the Real Christian, Why wait? P/N/B/

A very cryptic post indeed! What exactly are you trying to say? Who do YOU think the 'false folds' are?

Hay,
tell us what we are saying that is false? It must require the Master's Word to mean anything of importance! Or do not Catholics use another BOOK in place of inspiration? Is this true or not? I have reference to the 'catechism', which Webster's dictionary startes: 'is summary or test (as of religious doctrine)' This is their marks.

To use the [extra books] are the reason other denominations are called CULTS, is it not [forum]?? So, who is the LARGEST CULT WORLDWIDE then??

And about Moses Law that was nailed to the Cross, the one called the Law of Moses in Deut. 31, that [HE WROTE IN A BOOK]? This set of laws were the ones that directed the work of the OLD TESTAMENT's [human priests.] Catholicism has also not given up these! (true or false)

And we are so UNITED with Catholics today that we might ask the question, who cares???

And who does care if one puts the Pope in place of Christ in today's High Priest setting? Very few of the Protestants it seems, for what do they have to protest over? see Rev. 17:15-18---P/N/B/

PS: No offence meant to Catholics Lynn & others. It is possible that these young'ins are just not very well matured off milk as of yet? See Rev. 18:4. Sins in the Catholic church?? Where are they at pray tell? Did you hear the evening news tonight? Read Joshua 7:12's last part for the Truth of the matter! and then read Rev. 3:9? BUT THIS IS NOT THEIR DENOMINATION, BUT THAT OF ANOTHER)
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It's obvious you know nothing about the Catholic faith. I would appreciate it if you would not bear false witness against my church or me.

"No offence meant to Catholics"

Too late, your lies have offended me.

Peace and Love to you.

 

[Pastor N.B.]

Originally posted by Annabel Lee
A very cryptic post indeed! What exactly are you trying to say? Who do YOU think the 'false folds' are?

It's obvious you know nothing about the Catholic faith. I would appreciate it if you would not bear false witness against my church or me.

"No offence meant to Catholics"

Too late, your lies have offended me.

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P/N/B/ here: This sounds like the shoe is on the other foot? In other words it is [you] that are calling [me] a tale bearer! (LIAR?) Sounds like 'FLAMING' to me? I have asked you where it is that I have not quoted truth on the forum here?

Quite frankly, you remind me of accusing the young men that were the seduced ones as being the 'guilty' party? Is that the Christian way in the Catholic church today? I suspect that you are just one of a few, perhaps? Yet, one might read the book called the 'Fox Book of Martyr's'?

In Christiandom land, this sort of 'stuff' is called Laodian garbled blindness! (some even call it 'j'esuite tactics) But the Master's Words gives it a little straighter than that term, see it at 2 Cor. 4:2

So the ball is in your corner, tell us what has been stated that is not the truth, (as for me to re/tract it?) or, so I can print the 'evidence' as documented? Or do you find people guilty befor a trail?--P/N/B/
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Peace and Love to you.

 

[Annabel Lee]

Are you going to answer my question?

"Who do YOU think the 'false folds' are?"

And while we are here, this is false..

And who does care if one puts the Pope in place of Christ in today's High Priest setting?

If you are really interested in what Catholicism is go to the OneBread OneBody forum.
I have no interest in dealing with your venom.

 

[fluffycow]

Well, obvoisly someone here is lying, but I can't figure out who. I guess ive stepped into something like the AMD/Intel wars on computer forums, and I think ill leave it alone. I think ill study up on it myself, meanwhile staying a biblical Christian. Please don't fight, were all Christians

2 Timothy 2
<I>A Workman Approved by God </I>

<SUP>14</SUP>Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.

<SUP>24</SUP>And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

 

[MizDoulos]

Unfortunately, this thread has deteriorated into accusations and disharmony amongst members. Therefore, it has been closed.