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Why aren't more Christians or seekers disturbed by the story of Job?

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God Has a Plan for Your Life—And It Might Be Horrible! - by Dr. Jessica Ann Hughes
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Job’s story has always disturbed me because it depicts God not only allowing suffering but even being “incited…to destroy” a faithful man, all in order to vindicate Job’s real righteousness to Satan. Personally, I’d prefer for God to simply send Satan away. I’d rather not have any cosmic bets placed on my faithfulness, as if I am God’s prize racehorse representing the honor of the stable.
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I am also disturbed by Job's story and it's one of those reasons or doctrines why I can't completely accept or reconcile the faith. I mean, what kind of father would want to willingly allow custody of their offspring in the hands of a wicked person for all of his childhood and minor life as a kind of bet or test? Who would even think that is good?

IDK why people so strongly accept and encourages others to accept a God who is supposed to hate wicked things but then lets another being do wicked things (and Satan is the second most powerful and especially compared to us, and God is the only being who is powerful enough to stop it or choose not to bet in the first place). I'm not badmouthing God entirely. I love the creation. I love humanity. But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.
 

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God Has a Plan for Your Life—And It Might Be Horrible! - by Dr. Jessica Ann Hughes

I am also disturbed by Job's story and it's one of those reasons or doctrines why I can't completely accept or reconcile the faith. I mean, what kind of father would want to willingly allow custody of their offspring in the hands of a wicked person for all of his childhood and minor life as a kind of bet or test? Who would even think that is good?

IDK why people so strongly accept and encourages others to accept a God who is supposed to hate wicked things but then lets another being do wicked things (and Satan is the second most powerful and especially compared to us, and God is the only being who is powerful enough to stop it or choose not to bet in the first place). I'm not badmouthing God entirely. I love the creation. I love humanity. But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.
The story of Job is fictional literature, a long poem. Considered as such, what all might the author's intention be? What points does the author want to make? God's answer to Job is certainly awe inspiring.
 
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The story of Job is fictional literature, a long poem. Considered as such, what all might the author's intention be? What points does the author want to make? God's answer to Job is certainly awe inspiring.
Yes, how it is viewed changes everything. Viewed as history orchestrated by God it is revolting. Like most teaching stories there are many lesser characters who are treated badly. That matters if it is viewed as fact, it does not (or at least now very much) matter if it is seen as a story.
 
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Yes, how it is viewed changes everything. Viewed as history orchestrated by God it is revolting. Like most teaching stories there are many lesser characters who are treated badly. That matters if it is viewed as fact, it does not (or at least now very much) matter if it is seen as a story.
And yet we can still enter into the narrative world. In fact we are not really sure if that is how the author of the article in the OP interprets it.
We are often moved, shocked, comforted and inspired by good fiction. It is no less important or valid than nonfiction.
 
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Yes, how it is viewed changes everything. Viewed as history orchestrated by God it is revolting. Like most teaching stories there are many lesser characters who are treated badly. That matters if it is viewed as fact, it does not (or at least now very much) matter if it is seen as a story.
The bolded is what I wanted to also point out. I think the Book of Job is the microcosm for God's relationship with our entire history. Then you have 2 Cor 4:4 that explicitly says that Satan is the 'god' of this world, and all the prophecies of dire events to come. It seems that God willingly allows that which he finds repulsive to rule the earth he made for most of our history except the brief drop in the water before the fall of creation. Is he doing it for a 'good' reason? Maybe, but sometimes is an epic troll.
 
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Job is the oldest book in the bible, good luck figuring out the cultural context for that literature. it's not even the same families as the rest of the old testament. So understanding the underlying reason of what you find disturbing, would be difficult.

However, Job has a lot of sayings and figures that are referred to later in prophecy -and that's probably why it's in the bible.
 
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God Has a Plan for Your Life—And It Might Be Horrible! - by Dr. Jessica Ann Hughes

I am also disturbed by Job's story and it's one of those reasons or doctrines why I can't completely accept or reconcile the faith. I mean, what kind of father would want to willingly allow custody of their offspring in the hands of a wicked person for all of his childhood and minor life as a kind of bet or test? Who would even think that is good?

IDK why people so strongly accept and encourages others to accept a God who is supposed to hate wicked things but then lets another being do wicked things (and Satan is the second most powerful and especially compared to us, and God is the only being who is powerful enough to stop it or choose not to bet in the first place). I'm not badmouthing God entirely. I love the creation. I love humanity. But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.
Trials including suffering is to be counted with all joy. (the afflictions of the righteous are many, but the Lord delivers him out of them all) This was true in Job's case. Job did not have to carry this for long. Job too had a great testimony that is far more worthy than his suffering. Our problem is that we see things too much from a temporal time period.
 
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God Has a Plan for Your Life—And It Might Be Horrible! - by Dr. Jessica Ann Hughes

I am also disturbed by Job's story and it's one of those reasons or doctrines why I can't completely accept or reconcile the faith. I mean, what kind of father would want to willingly allow custody of their offspring in the hands of a wicked person for all of his childhood and minor life as a kind of bet or test? Who would even think that is good?

IDK why people so strongly accept and encourages others to accept a God who is supposed to hate wicked things but then lets another being do wicked things (and Satan is the second most powerful and especially compared to us, and God is the only being who is powerful enough to stop it or choose not to bet in the first place). I'm not badmouthing God entirely. I love the creation. I love humanity. But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.
1. A lot of Christians throughout history have given their lives to serve God, choosing death and even torture rather than be disloyal to God.

That is true with or without the book of Job.

2. In John 11 Lazarus dies a pretty painful death of fever over a period of days. When Jesus shows up and is questioned about it - He says no one who believer in Him dies -- then later he resurrects Lazarus.

The lesson there is that Jesus paid our debt of suffering and torment in the second-death lake of fire in Rev 20, and He says that the sort of suffering we encounter here on Earth is a drop-in-the-bucket-nothing compared to the debt we would owe if we were paying our own debt in the lake of fire. Jesus paid our debt , in our place "The atoning sacrifice for OUR sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE World". 1 John 2:2

This means that Job was a servant of God - and it means God loved Job so much that He died the second death for Job. A much worse fate than all the suffering of this life that Job encountered.

3. Your difficulty stems from not fully appreciating our debt of sin and Christ's suffering in our behalf to pay the debt that we owe. His request that we be willing to suffer with Him - in this battle against evil , sin, the devil that infected the Universe - heaven itself and then Earth - is small compared to the debt He paid for us.
 
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God Has a Plan for Your Life—And It Might Be Horrible! - by Dr. Jessica Ann Hughes

I am also disturbed by Job's story and it's one of those reasons or doctrines why I can't completely accept or reconcile the faith. I mean, what kind of father would want to willingly allow custody of their offspring in the hands of a wicked person for all of his childhood and minor life as a kind of bet or test? Who would even think that is good?

IDK why people so strongly accept and encourages others to accept a God who is supposed to hate wicked things but then lets another being do wicked things (and Satan is the second most powerful and especially compared to us, and God is the only being who is powerful enough to stop it or choose not to bet in the first place). I'm not badmouthing God entirely. I love the creation. I love humanity. But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.
Entirely ? You either are or your not, pick one, he does,
 
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God Has a Plan for Your Life—And It Might Be Horrible! - by Dr. Jessica Ann Hughes

I am also disturbed by Job's story and it's one of those reasons or doctrines why I can't completely accept or reconcile the faith. I mean, what kind of father would want to willingly allow custody of their offspring in the hands of a wicked person for all of his childhood and minor life as a kind of bet or test? Who would even think that is good?

IDK why people so strongly accept and encourages others to accept a God who is supposed to hate wicked things but then lets another being do wicked things (and Satan is the second most powerful and especially compared to us, and God is the only being who is powerful enough to stop it or choose not to bet in the first place). I'm not badmouthing God entirely. I love the creation. I love humanity. But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.
This is understandable, considering what Jesus said at Luke 10:21-24.
21 At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for doing so was well pleasing in Your sight. 22 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son determines to reveal Him.”​
23 Turning to the disciples, He said privately, “Blessed are the eyes that see the things you see; 24 for I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see the things that you see, and did not see them, and to hear the things that you hear, and did not hear them.”

To truly know and understand the father and son, there are certain criterion that must be met. John 17:3
  1. One must be humble, like an infant... as if he knows nothing, and isn't so intelligent that his logic must be superior. We recall that Jesus, although the wisest man, was lowly. Matthew 11:29 He learn from his father, and obeyed. John 8:28; John 5:19, 30; John 12:49; John 15:8-10
  2. One must have correct knowledge of God and Christ, and it takes time to grow in knowledge. Philippians 1:9-11; Colossians 1:9, 10; 1 Timothy 2:3, 4; 2 Peter 1:2-8
With this understanding, worldly wisdom is foolishness, to those who know God and his son.
The account of Job demonstrates God's wisdom, almighty power, and his faithfulness, and trustworthiness. It highlights God's endearing qualities. How?

Wisdom : God's allowing Satan to try to prove his case, allowed everyone in heaven and on earth, to see that Satan is a liar. That goes into the record books. Those who serve God, do not only do so, for selfish gain. PROVEN! In future, if that question should be raised, the records stand as a basis to dismiss it.

This tolerance on God's part, as the all powerful supreme ruler, who can extinguish any one who opposes him, demonstrates God's reasonableness, and fairness - his justice, in allowing persons to question his authority.

Result:
This is appealing, and draws God's children to him, rather that drive fear into them as if their father is a tyrant.

Almighty Power : As almighty, God demonstrates there is nothing that can be done, that is too big for him, or too difficult for him. to fix.
In other words, God knows that the world he allowed to exist, with sinful men (Romans 5:12), under the control of an evil one (1 John 5:19), will be filled with trouble, pain, and death.
God is not fearful of the death of loved ones, since he is able to, and willing to bring these ones back to life, in a world where trouble, pain, and death will not exist. Job 14:13-15

God used the account of Job, and other accounts, including the account of Jesus' friend Lazarus (John 11:1-45), the funeral procession of the son of the widow of Nain (Luke 7:11-17), the little maiden that took ill and died (Mark 5:38-43), to demonstrate his power over death.

Result:
Knowing of God's almighty power, builds faith in individuals, and draws them even closer to God, knowing that they do no need to fear the enemy death, since "neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38, 39

Justice : God is fair. Far better than any judge, God allowed Satan to prove his challenge before all onlookers.
Not only did Satan accuse God of being a liar, and a no good father... unworthy of governing intelligent creatures (Genesis 3:1-5), Satan accused all humans of being worthless leeches - only clinging to God, for what they can get from him (Job 1:7-12).
What better target for Satan, than Job - a faithful man whom God had blessed with plenty.
Why not carry the accusation as far as humiliation or death (Job 2:3-5).

Satan knew God was fair, and just. What about us?
The Bible says, God allowed Abraham to question his justice. Then Abraham drew near and said, “Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Genesis 18:22-33
On many occasions, God demonstrated that he is just. God gave Satan his "day" in court. At the end of the proceedings, all will know of God's justice. Deuteronomy 32:4

Result :
Justice is a quality looked for by all men. Even the wicked wants justice.
Seeing that God is just and fair, and always does what is right, endears God's children to him, and it allows them to persevere, seeing the result of Job's perseverance, and that God is faithful. James 5:10, 11
Behold, we count blessed those having persevered. You have heard of the perseverance of Job, and you have seen the outcome from the Lord, that the Lord is full of compassion and is merciful.

We see then, that the account of Job, put's God in a good light, when we have all the facts in the right place.
God in his wisdom, and justice, gave Satan a fair chance to prove his claim, proving once and for all the truth of this matter. In so doing, God allows persons to demonstrate their faith in, and love for him.
God, as almighty, demonstrates that he is able to provide more than we could ask for, and God also demonstrates his faithfulness, and love to those who remain steadfast, in the face of the most severe of trials, giving them the reassurance of God's power over death.
This reassurance is needed in a world that is filled with trouble, suffering and death.

It is worth noting that God counts Job in among men like Daniel, and Noah, as a faithful man. This should remove any doubt that the account of Job is actually a real event in history. Ezekiel 14:19, 20
 
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God Has a Plan for Your Life—And It Might Be Horrible! - by Dr. Jessica Ann Hughes

I am also disturbed by Job's story and it's one of those reasons or doctrines why I can't completely accept or reconcile the faith. I mean, what kind of father would want to willingly allow custody of their offspring in the hands of a wicked person for all of his childhood and minor life as a kind of bet or test? Who would even think that is good?

IDK why people so strongly accept and encourages others to accept a God who is supposed to hate wicked things but then lets another being do wicked things (and Satan is the second most powmyerful and especially compared to us, and God is the only being who is powerful enough to stop it or choose not to bet in the first place). I'm not badmouthing God entirely. I love the creationLove ove humanity. But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.

Have you taken your grievance to God?

He wants to shed light on our darkness.

I tend to see everything He does as fine because i know it is all out of love, and considering life without him being unbearable, seems like a drop in the bucket. He also paying the ultimate price to redeem us.

He wouldn't allow you to go through what he allowed Job to go through as he knows you wouldn't be able to handle it, but he knew Job knew him well enough.

But, as Job said, i need not defend God. The more we know Him, and ourselves apart from Him, the less these questions will trouble us
 
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God Has a Plan for Your Life—And It Might Be Horrible! - by Dr. Jessica Ann Hughes

I am also disturbed by Job's story and it's one of those reasons or doctrines why I can't completely accept or reconcile the faith. I mean, what kind of father would want to willingly allow custody of their offspring in the hands of a wicked person for all of his childhood and minor life as a kind of bet or test? Who would even think that is good?
Job didn't blame God for the tragedies, so why should anyone else?

IDK why people so strongly accept and encourages others to accept a God who is supposed to hate wicked things but then lets another being do wicked things (and Satan is the second most powerful and especially compared to us,
God knew Job was righteous enough that he wouldn't collapse at Satan's pressure to curse God. Job's wife collapsed at the pressure and encouraged Job to curse God and die. Her anger was at it's worst.

and God is the only being who is powerful enough to stop it or choose not to bet in the first place).
I guess that you haven't ever known someone well enough of what they'd do under trial to tell the challenger "Bring it on." Knowing ahead of time that the one being challenged wouldn't budge an inch.
I'm not badmouthing God entirely. I love the creation. I love humanity. But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.
Not badmouthing entirely... Well there were times when I said to myself "I'm not sinning entirely" when I opened the Christmas present to me that I wasn't supposed to open until Christmas. I guess that is an equivalent sin that you have committed in making a judgement against God. So I'll say no more about that.
 
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But some of his other attributes can't go unquestioned.
Thus test (question) God and see that He is Perfect, Absolutely Right, Totally Just, Without fault, no spot nor wrinkle in anything concerning Him.
He Will Answer ..... Appropriately..
Ask Him.
People /men/ especially religious ones, cannot give a satisfactory answer with perfect understanding.
 
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It has been about 20 years since I thoroughly read the book of Job. Despite how tragic it is, I believe it shows it is understandable that we feel anguish in this fallen world. The accusations attempting to somehow blame Job for his misfortune are flawed and judgmental. Still, those accusations are not stupid or foolish either but serve as a lesson for us to take care to be empathetic and sympathetic as wisely as possible ( Matthew 10:16). The golden rule is also a valuable lesson in seeing the suffering of Job ( Matthew 7:1-12).

There is also the unflinching faith of Job that the Lord took on all of our suffering ( like Job’s) and will not ultimately neglect us ( Isaiah 53:1-12, John 3:16-21 etc.).

Job 21:1-34.
 
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It has been about 20 years since I thoroughly read the book of Job. Despite how tragic it is, I believe it shows it is understandable that we feel anguish in this fallen world. The accusations attempting to somehow blame Job for his misfortune are flawed and judgmental. Still, those accusations are not stupid or foolish either but serve as a lesson for us to take care to be empathetic and sympathetic as wisely as possible ( Matthew 10:16). The golden rule is also a valuable lesson in seeing the suffering of Job ( Matthew 7:1-12).

There is also the unflinching faith of Job that the Lord took on all of our suffering ( like Job’s) and will not ultimately neglect us ( Isaiah 53:1-12, John 3:16-21 etc.).

Job 21:1-34.
But why make it seem so pointless from our perspective here and now?
It says in Corinthians that Satan rules this world...God could have said at the least "You can rule half of this world, but me and my people can rule the other half" instead of functionally ceding the entire thing to Satan, if he didn't want to destroy him completely.

You teach that someday he will destroy him and make everything right, but what's the point? Especially since the world as it has existed since the fall has been around for hundred thousand of years, if not millions. Why can't we have been born directly in Heaven instead of having people be born in an order that is only temporary but allow it to exist for many generations and then retroactively change the order and change the people in order so God can let them be in his kingdom?

I don't know what to feel anymore except that I've been tricked in this long game. It's not like we will witness injustice along with the justice in Heaven or on New earth, so we can appreciate it the same way we can right now. You may also say that it is completely incomprehensible to us and we can find out after we get there. At that time, it is too late though. I believe in God and accept that Jesus is his risen son, but beyond that I can say that I'm more of a logic guy.
 
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But why make it seem so pointless from our perspective here and now?
It says in Corinthians that Satan rules this world...God could have said at the least "You can rule half of this world, but me and my people can rule the other half" instead of functionally ceding the entire thing to Satan, if he didn't want to destroy him completely.

You teach that someday he will destroy him and make everything right, but what's the point? Especially since the world as it has existed since the fall has been around for hundred thousand of years, if not millions. Why can't we have been born directly in Heaven instead of having people be born in an order that is only temporary but allow it to exist for many generations and then retroactively change the order and change the people in order so God can let them be in his kingdom?

I don't know what to feel anymore except that I've been tricked in this long game. It's not like we will witness injustice along with the justice in Heaven or on New earth, so we can appreciate it the same way we can right now. You may also say that it is completely incomprehensible to us and we can find out after we get there. At that time, it is too late though. I believe in God and accept that Jesus is his risen son, but beyond that I can say that I'm more of a logic guy.
Well, you have what is most important. Listen, you can't receive light for your darkness without the source of light.

Keep asking, Knocking, seeking. Although, he may not answer as you expect, but his answer will suffice.

I mean you can take those questions in an endless direction.

Why have the sun for light? Why not just have light? Why does the earth have to spin. Why are there seasons. Can't it be spring all year long?

The best i can put it is i see you keep going back to blaming God for this. I don't have all your answers, but i do know that we messed up. God has promised that what we go through here, no matter how horrendous, is nothing in comparison to what we will experience in his glory.

If He answers your question, more questions will come. What He wants is for you to draw close to Him and get to know Him more intimately, then you will know no matter what is happening that He is love and good and for you.

That is the sure foundation you will stand on when the storms come and it is yours to grasp because Jesus shed his blood for you.
 
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We do live in a fallen world, but that doesn't mean that everything about this life is bad. Suffering and hardship also exist universally, but some people are "better off" in some areas than others and we have no complete agency over it, some people are charismatic while some have little social ability, some people are financially able to have life essentials like food, others are starving.

But I don't think a world where everybody had absolutely equal outcomes would be desirable to me either.
 
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But why make it seem so pointless from our perspective here and now?
It says in Corinthians that Satan rules this world...God could have said at the least "You can rule half of this world, but me and my people can rule the other half" instead of functionally ceding the entire thing to Satan, if he didn't want to destroy him completely.

You teach that someday he will destroy him and make everything right, but what's the point? Especially since the world as it has existed since the fall has been around for hundred thousand of years, if not millions. Why can't we have been born directly in Heaven instead of having people be born in an order that is only temporary but allow it to exist for many generations and then retroactively change the order and change the people in order so God can let them be in his kingdom?

I don't know what to feel anymore except that I've been tricked in this long game. It's not like we will witness injustice along with the justice in Heaven or on New earth, so we can appreciate it the same way we can right now. You may also say that it is completely incomprehensible to us and we can find out after we get there. At that time, it is too late though. I believe in God and accept that Jesus is his risen son, but beyond that I can say that I'm more of a logic guy.
II understand the confusion.
If all were taught the truth, there would be no problem understanding God, and the Bible, but thanks to Satan, we live in a world where confusion permeates it.

Can I suggest you have a study of the Bible?
Why I make that suggestion, is because there are a few things you don't understand, and I believe, until you understand those things, other things will be problematic.

The world that Satan rules is not the earth (globe). The world refers to the world of mankind, but particularly those separated from God. 1 John 2:15-17; 1 John 5:19
So, while Satan does control the system of things, through people that do not worship God, everyone is not in Satan's control.
Those who submit to God, are ruled by God. We can say they are under God's control.

There is a lot more that needs clearing up, but that cannot be done in one go.
There are many questions, and many answers, but building a proper house, requires a good foundation.
 
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