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<blockquote data-quote="anon77777" data-source="post: 75929418" data-attributes="member: 434482"><p>[USER=226371]@renniks[/USER] No offense, I've read it all before, the semantics and sin-account make sense on paper, but I just don't see how all this maps on to reality; onto real, human life. How is believing in Jesus going to change my life in some way that I can't if I were a stoic theist?</p><p></p><p>I look at the Christians, and I compare them with the stoics like Epictetus, Cicero, Aurelius, et al, and I don't see any major differences in either their ethics nor their lifestyle. People of both schools of thought demonstrate an understanding and embodiment of transcendent value, of sacrifice, and of virtue.</p><p></p><p>The reason I don't believe Christianity is true is because the doctrine is not reasonable. God is inherently rational. John says "in the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was with God and the Logos was God.". That makes sense to me, but I don't see any reason why God would have to become flesh in order to forgive us for our sins. If God really does embody the values of forgiveness that Jesus preached (and I believe he does) then why can't he just forgive us? Why does he have to become flesh and die and we have to "believe" it in order for it to take effect? It just seems absurd.</p><p></p><p>I appreciate you taking the time to explain it but I just don't get it</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="anon77777, post: 75929418, member: 434482"] [USER=226371]@renniks[/USER] No offense, I've read it all before, the semantics and sin-account make sense on paper, but I just don't see how all this maps on to reality; onto real, human life. How is believing in Jesus going to change my life in some way that I can't if I were a stoic theist? I look at the Christians, and I compare them with the stoics like Epictetus, Cicero, Aurelius, et al, and I don't see any major differences in either their ethics nor their lifestyle. People of both schools of thought demonstrate an understanding and embodiment of transcendent value, of sacrifice, and of virtue. The reason I don't believe Christianity is true is because the doctrine is not reasonable. God is inherently rational. John says "in the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was with God and the Logos was God.". That makes sense to me, but I don't see any reason why God would have to become flesh in order to forgive us for our sins. If God really does embody the values of forgiveness that Jesus preached (and I believe he does) then why can't he just forgive us? Why does he have to become flesh and die and we have to "believe" it in order for it to take effect? It just seems absurd. I appreciate you taking the time to explain it but I just don't get it [/QUOTE]
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