Why are we bickering?!

[Toclafane]

And by the way, every true translation of the Bible are all translated from the same thing. the only difference was different people. truth be told if all translations are different then which is the true one.

Sorta like every True[sup]tm[/sup] christian believes the same thing ?

 

[wanderingone]

these threads should not be used to argue our point of view, they should be used to help people who are actually in a moral problem.

This is

"Ethics and Morality: a forum for the discussion and debate of ethics and morality open to all members."
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This is not the proper place to "help" someone with a problem who is looking for specific religious point of view.

 

[OllieFranz]

Why are we bickering or "debating" over; whether gay marriage is acceptable, whether someone should be babtized, or whether arranged marriages are good or bad. The Bible clearly states it's oppinion about these things. We shouldn't start asking questions about morality if it has nothing to do with us. for example:

two men start a thread asking whether gay mariage is acceptable.

the first man starts it because he's just curius to see how people react.

the second man actually has a problem, his daughter wants to marry another woman.

which is more important?

Another Example

two women start threads about abortion.

one is actually in a problem where she is pregnant because of a fool mistake, and is wondering what the right thing to do is.

but the second is just trying to support abortion or tear down abortion.

these threads should not be used to argue our point of view, they should be used to help people who are actually in a moral problem.

I'm not saying that. I am saying that it is more important to help others than it is to "debate"

In this forum, I mostly post in the "homosexuality" threads and not in the abortion threads, etc. This is because I am concerned because there are people who read the Bible as a Lawbook, a collection of rules, and forget the love and compassion that is supposed to be the hallmark of a Christian lifestyle. These people want to treat a group of people differently because of their perceived sinfulness, despite Romans, chapters 2 &3, despite Matthew 7: 1-5, and many other verses.

These people use a generalization based on three very different and very specific sins that happen to have a sexual component and happen to involve two men, to condemn people for an immutable aspect of their very person-hood, and to deny them admittance into the ranks of humankind. Resisting that movement is as important a function of a committed Christian life as counseling a troubled individual.

There is another forum here on CF which is dedicated to prayer and advice for those who are struggling with the issue of homosexuality in their own lives or with loved ones. I do not go onto that forum and argue. Instead, I accept the teachings of Romans 14. Whether or not homosexuality is, in general a sin, these people believe it is and are troubled about it. For them, believing as they do, to behave in a way directly opposed to that belief would be a sin, and my arguing with them would be placing a stumbling block before them.

Occasionally someone with this kind of struggle will start a post in this forum. If I am the first to respond, I will often direct them to the prayer and advice forum. If I would not be the first to respond I do not respond. If such a person joins in an ongoing thread, I drop out. I have even left CF for months at a time when someone was in the wrong forum for his needs, rather than risk being a stumbling block. I do send a PM directing them to the thread where they can get advice and prayer instead of drowning in debate.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

As for the OP, the reason for "bickering" is that this is "a forum for the discussion and debate of ethics & morality open to all members", not an advice section. I think we have one of those too...?

*goes to look*

Yup. Christian Advice - Christian Advice - Christian Forums

well then I think they should have a section specifically for moral issues.

I think you want either:

a) Christian Apologetics - Christian Apologetics - Christian Forums
or b) Christian Philosophy & Ethics - Christian Philosophy & Ethics - Christian Forums

 

[Chazemataz]

Well, think of it this way:
At least we can bicker about things like this. There are sadly still those in counties like Iran and North Korea who would get jailed or murdered for daring to disagree with those in power.

 

[LaMandaRaye]

Just about every thread in here is about homosexuality and gay marriage. It's gotten out of hand. Even though I have made a few threads in the past about it, mainly because I feel like I won't get noticed if I don't discuss it around here.

And some of the posters here are a bit mean, this is supposed to be a Christian forum and I am surprised by some of their attitudes. I'd expect this on a non Christian forum, but here, I have higher expectations.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Just about every thread in here is about homosexuality and gay marriage. It's gotten out of hand. Even though I have made a few threads in the past about it, mainly because I feel like I won't get noticed if I don't discuss it around here.

And some of the posters here are a bit mean, this is supposed to be a Christian forum and I am surprised by some of their attitudes. I'd expect this on a non Christian forum, but here, I have higher expectations.

You haven't been here long enough to remember the Non-Christian religion section of the site have you? Before the new regime CF became a very welcome place to Non-Christians and had special sections dedicated just to us. That is when many of us found CF and many of us have chosen to stay, so not it is not JUST a Christian forum. It may be primarily catering to Christians but it at least has a section dedicated to open debate for people of all religions and philosophies.

 

[LaMandaRaye]

You haven't been here long enough to remember the Non-Christian religion section of the site have you? Before the new regime CF became a very welcome place to Non-Christians and had special sections dedicated just to us. That is when many of us found CF and many of us have chosen to stay, so not it is not JUST a Christian forum. It may be primarily catering to Christians but it at least has a section dedicated to open debate for people of all religions and philosophies.

Okay. Well that explains the not so polite responses.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Okay. Well that explains the not so polite responses.

Which part? The fact that non-Christians are allowed on the site? That seems awfully short-sighted of you. What about the nasty responses from Christians to Non-Christians? Do those not count or are they less bad because they come from a Christian?

 

[LaMandaRaye]

Which part? The fact that non-Christians are allowed on the site? That seems awfully short-sighted of you. What about the nasty responses from Christians to Non-Christians? Do those not count or are they less bad because they come from a Christian?

I don't know who is and is not a Christian here, but I have experienced very sensitive posters who get very argumenative and mean.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I don't know who is and is not a Christian here, but I have experienced very sensitive posters who get very argumenative and mean.

But I was discussing Non-Christians not sensitive posters.

 

[Washington]

Just about every thread in here is about homosexuality and gay marriage. It's gotten out of hand. Even though I have made a few threads in the past about it, mainly because I feel like I won't get noticed if I don't discuss it around here.

Well, taking a quick scan of the last 100 posts in this forum, I counted 11 that concern themselves with homosexuality or homosexual issues. In other words 11%. My point? That people who exaggerate to such a large degree probably exaggerate other points as well, or at least may have questionable conclusions and opinions. Is this what we should conclude about you?

And some of the posters here are a bit mean, this is supposed to be a Christian forum and I am surprised by some of their attitudes. I'd expect this on a non Christian forum, but here, I have higher expectations.

Sorry that some don't meet your criteria for nice (not-mean), or your expectations, but despite what you consider to be the nature of the forum--Christian--and the behavior you expect, not everyone is going to measure up--Christian or not. I suggest you take a more open (forgiving?) attitude and try to understand that not everyone who wishes to participate here has been as fortunate as yourself, and are still struggling to become as good.

 

[Jade Margery]

I'm done with the debate section. You all should be lawers.

Guys, I think she may have insulted us...

 

[SiderealExalt]

Just about every thread in here is about homosexuality and gay marriage. It's gotten out of hand. Even though I have made a few threads in the past about it, mainly because I feel like I won't get noticed if I don't discuss it around here.

And some of the posters here are a bit mean, this is supposed to be a Christian forum and I am surprised by some of their attitudes. I'd expect this on a non Christian forum, but here, I have higher expectations.

Then your idea of general Christian attitudes is generous, and your attitude about non Christians is slanderous.

 

[flicka]

You can usually tell who is/isn't Christian by their faith icon, and then christians get to debate among themselves who is/isn't a "real" Christian. The rest of us clearly define ourselves and are easy to spot.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

Guys, I think she may have insulted us...

That was an insult?

 

[Nathan45]

Why are we bickering or "debating" over; whether gay marriage is acceptable, whether someone should be babtized, or whether arranged marriages are good or bad. The Bible clearly states it's oppinion about these things. We shouldn't start asking questions about morality if it has nothing to do with us. for example:

two men start a thread asking whether gay mariage is acceptable.

the first man starts it because he's just curius to see how people react.

the second man actually has a problem, his daughter wants to marry another woman.

which is more important?

Another Example

two women start threads about abortion.

one is actually in a problem where she is pregnant because of a fool mistake, and is wondering what the right thing to do is.

but the second is just trying to support abortion or tear down abortion.

these threads should not be used to argue our point of view, they should be used to help people who are actually in a moral problem.

This is a debate forum, if you want to give or receive advice for real life situations, there are other forums for that such as Christian Advice - Christian Forums
Struggles with Sexuality - Christian Forums

 

[KCKID]

I'm done with the debate section. You all should be lawers.

Guys, I think she may have insulted us...

Did she say 'lawyers' ...?

Then she most DEFINITELY insulted us!

 

[Toclafane]

Did she say 'lawyers' ...?

Then she most DEFINITELY insulted us!

Could of been worse.
They could of said we should all be politicians

 

[Fenny the Fox]

Could of been worse.
They could of said we should all be politicians

Now, that, would have truly been an insult.