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Why are we accountable if we did not ask to be exist?
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<blockquote data-quote="adhidw" data-source="post: 71442201" data-attributes="member: 396310"><p>i am sorry , there is a question left in reply # 347,</p><p></p><p></p><p>The omniscient God creates us from nothing, to reach the Goal He planned.</p><p></p><p>Then surely everything during the process will develop in phases as He wants.</p><p></p><p>It’s impossible happened something that out of His control.</p><p></p><p>May be we need some questions to ponder deeper like;</p><p></p><p>Why should He introduce the seventh day in the Gen2:2-3 , where in that time Adam and Eve not yet fell ?</p><p></p><p>Why should God give hundreds of laws the Torah laws? , if it was proven that men couldn’t fulfill just only the simplest ordinance as keeping not eat the fruit of the tree of life intentionally ( men were driven out of Eden was the very strong proof that they surely ate the fruit if they were still there ), not make sense !!!.</p><p></p><p>Why not all His people (names in the book of life ) were created altogether at once ?.</p><p></p><p></p><p>actually the fruit of the tree of knowledge about good and evil (fotkge) = <strong>the format of this perishable realm</strong> = if they ate fotkge immediately they moved from eternal realm to the perishable realm.</p><p></p><p>The fruit of the tree of life (fotl) = <strong>the way back from the perishable realm to the eternal realm in peace (John14:6)</strong> = if they ate fotl before they fell there was no bad impact for them so they were allowed to eat.</p><p></p><p>John14:6 Jesus saith unto him<strong>, I am the way</strong>, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me</p><p></p><p>If they ate fotl <strong>intentionally after they ate fotkge</strong> they surely moved from the perishable realm to the eternal realm in their previous condition (spiritually dead) + their bodies changed to be the eternal bodies then with this state their destination surely only to the lof =as if they tried to earn their salvation by work = as if they tried to fulfill the torah laws =as if they work on sabbath day ( sabbath day = the day of rest = there shall no perishable creature that able to do any thing that worthy in the eyes of God Isa64:6 , who works on Sabbath day shall be punished to dead Exo31:15, to keep the Sabbath day as <strong>the perpetual covenant </strong>for all generation Exo31:16) ( this was the reason why A and E were driven out from Eden /A and E and their offspring surely ate fotl intentionally without exception).</p><p></p><p>Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and <strong>all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags</strong>; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.</p><p></p><p>Exo31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: <strong>whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death</strong>. </p><p>31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, <strong>to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant</strong></p><p></p><p>Hence the spiritual being that live in the perishable realm will never be able to move to the eternal realm in peace through their own effort , except it is bestowed by God Him self ----> <strong>salvation is only by God’s Grace</strong></p><p>So by this premise; <strong>salvation is only by God’s Grace</strong> there should be the Chosen , the savior , the redeemer .</p><p></p><p>How can God introduce that there should be the chosen?; God chose Israelites that only from the wombs of this people God put His people (spiritual beings that had already created spiritually before the foundation of the world that all of them were zero state in the first place Jer1:5 , Zec12:1) to be born = the chosen physically (this stipulation for introduction only then for the common/after Jer31:29-33 distributed to spiritually Israelites /the wombs of all)</p><p></p><p>And your other comments above , i think due to how we comprehend : who we are , who God is, What His plan is , as long as we grasp in different way then it surely will lead us in ineffective discussion , thank for your kindness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="adhidw, post: 71442201, member: 396310"] i am sorry , there is a question left in reply # 347, The omniscient God creates us from nothing, to reach the Goal He planned. Then surely everything during the process will develop in phases as He wants. It’s impossible happened something that out of His control. May be we need some questions to ponder deeper like; Why should He introduce the seventh day in the Gen2:2-3 , where in that time Adam and Eve not yet fell ? Why should God give hundreds of laws the Torah laws? , if it was proven that men couldn’t fulfill just only the simplest ordinance as keeping not eat the fruit of the tree of life intentionally ( men were driven out of Eden was the very strong proof that they surely ate the fruit if they were still there ), not make sense !!!. Why not all His people (names in the book of life ) were created altogether at once ?. actually the fruit of the tree of knowledge about good and evil (fotkge) = [B]the format of this perishable realm[/B] = if they ate fotkge immediately they moved from eternal realm to the perishable realm. The fruit of the tree of life (fotl) = [B]the way back from the perishable realm to the eternal realm in peace (John14:6)[/B] = if they ate fotl before they fell there was no bad impact for them so they were allowed to eat. John14:6 Jesus saith unto him[B], I am the way[/B], the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me If they ate fotl [B]intentionally after they ate fotkge[/B] they surely moved from the perishable realm to the eternal realm in their previous condition (spiritually dead) + their bodies changed to be the eternal bodies then with this state their destination surely only to the lof =as if they tried to earn their salvation by work = as if they tried to fulfill the torah laws =as if they work on sabbath day ( sabbath day = the day of rest = there shall no perishable creature that able to do any thing that worthy in the eyes of God Isa64:6 , who works on Sabbath day shall be punished to dead Exo31:15, to keep the Sabbath day as [B]the perpetual covenant [/B]for all generation Exo31:16) ( this was the reason why A and E were driven out from Eden /A and E and their offspring surely ate fotl intentionally without exception). Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and [B]all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags[/B]; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Exo31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: [B]whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death[/B]. 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, [B]to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant[/B] Hence the spiritual being that live in the perishable realm will never be able to move to the eternal realm in peace through their own effort , except it is bestowed by God Him self ----> [B]salvation is only by God’s Grace[/B] So by this premise; [B]salvation is only by God’s Grace[/B] there should be the Chosen , the savior , the redeemer . How can God introduce that there should be the chosen?; God chose Israelites that only from the wombs of this people God put His people (spiritual beings that had already created spiritually before the foundation of the world that all of them were zero state in the first place Jer1:5 , Zec12:1) to be born = the chosen physically (this stipulation for introduction only then for the common/after Jer31:29-33 distributed to spiritually Israelites /the wombs of all) And your other comments above , i think due to how we comprehend : who we are , who God is, What His plan is , as long as we grasp in different way then it surely will lead us in ineffective discussion , thank for your kindness. [/QUOTE]
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