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Why are we accountable if we did not ask to be exist?
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<blockquote data-quote="adhidw" data-source="post: 71434798" data-attributes="member: 396310"><p>Respectively spirit or us ; for instant in it turn when God wanted to send Abel (spiritually being/ spirit without body /spirit who was named Abel and also had been written in His book of life before the creation of the world ) to wander to this perishable earth then God send this spirit to abide within a baby which was born through the womb of Eve ( see Yer1:5 similar) .</p><p>( I apologize of my lack in English ).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don’t know what you mean.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Explanation:</p><p>(1)The creation actually is the greates opportunity we ever have, zero state = vacuum/void , when in the process some one failed (failed in purification process which is parebled as 40 years in the desert ) then surely he loss the greatest advantage be come nothing ( as the origin).</p><p></p><p>(2)How can zero state have a choice ?, he run follow the body's will/ <strong>negative will</strong> (Rom3;10-12).</p><p>Rom8:20 <strong>For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly</strong>, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,</p><p>Rom3:10 As it is written, <strong>There is none righteous, no, not one</strong>:</p><p>3:11 <strong>There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God</strong>.</p><p>3:12 <strong>They are all</strong> gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; <strong>there is none that doeth good, no, not one</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I said before:</p><p></p><p>(<strong>when God created Human from His faithful angels with the eternal bodies the out come surely same </strong>) they answer “ surely, <strong>we are all more obedient than them”</strong>, does their answer bring glory to God?.</p><p></p><p>The angels had worthies works compared to the devils (the rebels).</p><p>Then all they had surely deserve to them, <strong>as wages not as a grace</strong>.</p><p>All the saveds/ the winners said that <strong>salvation = by God’s Grace alone</strong></p><p>(finally the winners /spirits which is success in purification process surely as smart as the angels, as capable as the angels , but the way they achieve those state is started from zero state ).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, yes.</p><p>Zero state only had positive will ( always obey the ordinance ),unless they were cheated.</p><p>The devil sin because by his own will ( because full state =has free will/ positive and negative will ) want to rebel.</p><p></p><p></p><p>2Pet3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word <strong>are kept in store, reserved </strong>unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition <strong>of ungodly men</strong> ( bold suggests that could be done <strong>since before the creation of the world</strong>, but for <strong>the greater purpose</strong> then it is suspended )( ungodly men= spirits abide within the born of flesh men (Gen3:14) for examples ; Esau, Judas, Abraham seeds who were not born of God John8:44).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Answered already.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Rom8:20, 2Pet3:7, and many other verses clarify that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="adhidw, post: 71434798, member: 396310"] Respectively spirit or us ; for instant in it turn when God wanted to send Abel (spiritually being/ spirit without body /spirit who was named Abel and also had been written in His book of life before the creation of the world ) to wander to this perishable earth then God send this spirit to abide within a baby which was born through the womb of Eve ( see Yer1:5 similar) . ( I apologize of my lack in English ). Yes. I don’t know what you mean. Explanation: (1)The creation actually is the greates opportunity we ever have, zero state = vacuum/void , when in the process some one failed (failed in purification process which is parebled as 40 years in the desert ) then surely he loss the greatest advantage be come nothing ( as the origin). (2)How can zero state have a choice ?, he run follow the body's will/ [B]negative will[/B] (Rom3;10-12). Rom8:20 [B]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly[/B], but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Rom3:10 As it is written, [B]There is none righteous, no, not one[/B]: 3:11 [B]There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God[/B]. 3:12 [B]They are all[/B] gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; [B]there is none that doeth good, no, not one[/B] I said before: ([B]when God created Human from His faithful angels with the eternal bodies the out come surely same [/B]) they answer “ surely, [B]we are all more obedient than them”[/B], does their answer bring glory to God?. The angels had worthies works compared to the devils (the rebels). Then all they had surely deserve to them, [B]as wages not as a grace[/B]. All the saveds/ the winners said that [B]salvation = by God’s Grace alone[/B] (finally the winners /spirits which is success in purification process surely as smart as the angels, as capable as the angels , but the way they achieve those state is started from zero state ). Yes, yes. Zero state only had positive will ( always obey the ordinance ),unless they were cheated. The devil sin because by his own will ( because full state =has free will/ positive and negative will ) want to rebel. 2Pet3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word [B]are kept in store, reserved [/B]unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition [B]of ungodly men[/B] ( bold suggests that could be done [B]since before the creation of the world[/B], but for [B]the greater purpose[/B] then it is suspended )( ungodly men= spirits abide within the born of flesh men (Gen3:14) for examples ; Esau, Judas, Abraham seeds who were not born of God John8:44). Answered already. Rom8:20, 2Pet3:7, and many other verses clarify that. [/QUOTE]
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