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marriage was around long before christianity, and the church does not own the practice. one could argue, in fact, that the church did the very thing you are accusing others of doing.
I never said it did. Christians did not define marriage as a contract between a man and a woman. Even in societies where homosexuality was accepted, marriage was never any more than that. Your argument is the strawman here.

making it illegal to follow the bible? strawman.
I am sure it does seem like straw to people who do not take the Bible seriously, but think it is just some book of made up fairy tales. But for those who have been denied a license to pursue their careers in California just because they expressed doubt about the claim that homosexuality was genetic in a political correctness class, it seems a bit more serious. You go ahead and keep making light of the concerns of the opposition and they will keep ignoring your concerns as well and this country will stay in this state of war in which both sides will continue to fear any compromise at all.

I recieved a telephone call a few days ago and polling for peoples opinions (probably by the Republicans) and main issue seemed to be the question of gay marriage. It has become a serious political issue.
 
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This is stemming from another thread.

People are gay because?

1. They want to get attention
2. They are rebelling against their parents
3. They just want to engage in sinful behavior
4. It is not a choice, God made them gay
5. A combination of the first 3 choices.
6. Other

I screwed up the poll, haha, sorry
i think some people are born with it, or are influenced
 
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i think some people are born with it, or are influenced
not according to the Word of God. WHY would he call homosexuality a sin and abomination, then create someone with the desire? Makes no sense and it is a cruel god yes, small g...thatwould do that.
 
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not according to the Word of God. WHY would he call homosexuality a sin and abomination, then create someone with the desire? Makes no sense and it is a cruel god yes, small g...thatwould do that.

Isn't God cruel if He says that they have to die because they are an abomination? And why would He create animals the same way. There are about 400 + species that know homosexual partnerships.....some for life (birds).....so why do that and than condemn those who are 'different'? Isn't that weird?
 
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Isn't God cruel if He says that they have to die because they are an abomination? And why would He create animals the same way. There are about 400 + species that know homosexual partnerships.....some for life (birds).....so why do that and than condemn those who are 'different'? Isn't that weird?
I don't believe God made ANYTHING homesexual..knowing that he would call it a sin/abomination. If he did, he would be a bit twisted wouldn't HE?? THAT is weird.
 
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I don't believe God made ANYTHING homesexual..knowing that he would call it a sin/abomination. If he did, he would be a bit twisted wouldn't HE?? THAT is weird.

He created life. Animals do not think one morning and say: Hey, let's sin and become gay! They are that way. It is not a choice...why should it be different for human beings? And if God created life, and He would hate homosexuality, why would He let animals be just that, homosexual/bisexual??????

It would be so unlogical for God to do that.

So, I do not believe God see homosexuality as a sin. It's something humans of that time thought that God would disapprove of it. I mean, Christians would have to stone gay people because that is what God wants them to do in the Bible.......Now why would you not do that? because it is so not of our time, and we've become more civilized and so on and so on....not to mention that you would break the law..... But if you follow the bible word for word, you should want them to die. Now where is the logic in that?
 
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not according to the Word of God. WHY would he call homosexuality a sin and abomination, then create someone with the desire? Makes no sense and it is a cruel god yes, small g...thatwould do that.
Not according to your own late twentieth century culturally condition interpretation of scripture (which isn't the Word of God - a title that properly belongs to Christ) at least.

Some of us don't assume that our interpretation of ancient Near Eastern texts has descended from heaven on golden plates like the Book of Mormon.
 
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This all made perfect sense when I first thought it up last night, half asleep. Let's see if it still does, shall we?

In art, I prefer the streaking, blurred strokes of Van Gogh and Joseph Turner over the splintered geometry of Piccaso, or the mathematical precision of much of Escher.'s later work. Though I absolutely recognize the genious of the latter two, the first two are the ones that move me.

In Dungeons and Dragons games, I am the bard, rogue or enchanter--the one who sneaks up behind or attacks in a roundabout way. I am never the axe-weilding fighter.

In music, I prefer the undulating drama of the Romantic period, or, for a modern example, Unchained Melody, or Moondance, over Mozart or most Pop.

I prefer complex flavors that sneak up on you, rather than something straightforward.

I believe that everything in the world is intimately connected with everything else, and so, prefer the logic of repairing a person to repair a community, to repair the world; rather than "here is a problem--let's fight it."

In dodgeball, in elementary school, I would sneak across the line and meander to jail, as if I had already been tagged, then set everybody free and grab the flag in the chaos. I never just ran across.

I prefer the Hebrew language over Greek. Arabic over Spanish.

I prefer the questionable, abstract sort of science of psychology over the mathematical perfection of chemistry or physics.

When I need to explain something, I almost never just explain it. I use a lot of metaphores and analogies and long strings of roundabout logic.

In poetic feet, I prefer the anapest or dactyl, over the iamb.

In marital arts, I prefer the swooping elegance of Aikido over the straightforward strikes of karate or Tae Kwon Do.

(Links for "men" and "women" are the Vetruvian Man by DaVinci, and the Birth of Venus, by William Bouguereau, respectively. Both are artistic nudes. Thought you might want to know.)

Men, in broad, horribly oversimplied strokes, tend to be more logical, more straightforward. Tend to approach problems head on and compartmentalize more. Their bodies match--when fit, their lines are generally angular and hard.

Women, in broad, horribly oversimplified strokes, tend to be more subtle, more prone to the "softer" emotions. Different parts of their lives blend together more easily, and they seem more likely to approach a problem in a peculiar, non-intuitive way. Their bodies match-when fit, their lines are gently curved and soft.

So, the question is not "why am I gay?" but "How could I not be?" My attraction to women is the natural extension of everything that I am, value and enjoy.
 
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So, the question is not "why am I gay?" but "How could I not be?" My attraction to women is the natural extension of everything that I am, value and enjoy.
Couldn't the same be said for any other sinner who revels in his/her sin?
 
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Couldn't the same be said for any other sinner who revels in his/her sin?

Probably. It could also be said for any genius who revels in mathematics or physics. Any artist who revels in art. It could be said for any trait that is an intrinsic part of any person.
 
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I don't believe God made ANYTHING homesexual..knowing that he would call it a sin/abomination. If he did, he would be a bit twisted wouldn't HE?? THAT is weird.


God did not make them homosexual. God knew that some would be homosexual. He decreed that they should be born and live.

This is why God decrees some to be born gay...

John 9:1-3 (New International Version)


"As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"


"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life."

In spite of all the denials, some gay people are delievered from homosexuality. I have seen several testimonies to this. And, they all complained how the gay community called them liars for their testimony.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New International Version)


"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
I do not care if one wants to argue the meaning of the word translated "homosexual." Just look at all the other types of sinning that was mentioned. If God can deliver them! He can deliever anyone who - not wants simply to be delivered - but, wants to follow the Lord!

That's the key. Not simply wanting to be delivered is enough! But, their primary desire is to be to follow and to know Christ!

That is why so many fail. They simply 'try Christ' to see if it will work for them. Like some will try a new type of therapy.

They see Christ as a means to try and improve self, but not for the sake to truly be a disciple. They will use the name of Christ (some of them) to secure for themselves an air of respectability with the outside world.

2 Timothy 3:5 niv

"Having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them."
But, that again. Is using Christ. Not following Him.

Grace and truth, GeneZ​

 
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God did not make them homosexual. God knew that some would be homosexual. He decreed that they should be born and live.

This is why God decrees some to be born gay...
John 9:1-3 (New International Version)
"As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life."

:amen:

We live in a fallen world. If we turn to Christ with the crosses we have to bear He will lead us to sanctification.
 
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I do not care if one wants to argue the meaning of the word translated "homosexual." Just look at all the other types of sinning that was mentioned. If God can deliver them! He can deliever anyone who - not wants simply to be delivered - but, wants to follow the Lord!

That's the key. Not simply wanting to be delivered is enough! But, their primary desire is to be to follow and to know Christ!

That is why so many fail. They simply 'try Christ' to see if it will work for them. Like some will try a new type of therapy.


They see Christ as a means to try and improve self, but not for the sake to truly be a disciple. They will use the name of Christ (some of them) to secure for themselves an air of respectability with the outside world.
I thought your entire post was awesome, but I'd like to focus more specifically on this portion. I believe what you said here is critical and pivotal to the entire problem. This statement sums it up quite nicely:
That's the key. Not simply wanting to be delivered is enough! But, their primary desire is to (surrender all and) be (like Him), to follow and to know Christ!
I apologize for the edit, but it paints a more complete picture for me. :sorry:

This is why many have tried and few have succeeded, it's because we're not willing to surrender all.


Thanks genez for bringing the proper light to this problem.:thumbsup:
 
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"God did not make them homosexual. God knew that some would be homosexual. He decreed that they should be born and live. "

Actually, in case you didnt know this, babies come from 2 people having sex. The male impregnates the female with his sperm and the female grows a baby in her womb. This babies physical attributes (and psychological attributes) are created from DNA that is passed down from the parents.

At no single point in conception or birth, does God play a part. That child is the way they are (be it gay or straight) because of the gene's that has passed down to it.

Im surprised you didnt know this.
 
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"God did not make them homosexual. God knew that some would be homosexual. He decreed that they should be born and live. "

Actually, in case you didnt know this, babies come from 2 people having sex. The male impregnates the female with his sperm and the female grows a baby in her womb. This babies physical attributes (and psychological attributes) are created from DNA that is passed down from the parents.

At no single point in conception or birth, does God play a part. That child is the way they are (be it gay or straight) because of the gene's that has passed down to it.

Im surprised you didnt know this.

That's old and disproven propaganda. I'm suprised you didn't know this.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New International Version)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Were all those "conditions" the result of DNA? What drove someone to become a slanderer? Sexually immoral? A male prostitute?

Bad genes?

Doomed by their genes? What if its proven that police and hardened criminals have the same genetic makeup? Many cops will be the first to admit that they are good at what they do because they can think like a criminal.

Paul could think like a Jew. Yet, he knew freedom through Christ. In his genes?

If anything, what's in the genes of those who have a propensity for homosexuality is really a soulish affinity for demonic influence. For the first homosexuals come from the kingdom of fallen angels, not men.

In the Greek and Hebrew there is no such thing as a feminine gender angel. Yet, we find goddesses throughout pagan worship. The first drag queens were not men.

I can elaborate if you want. Or, if you are simply curious to see what it is the Scriptures reveals as to why God would see homosexuality as an abomination.

Just ask.

Grace and truth, GeneZ
 
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That's old and disproven propaganda. I'm suprised you didn't know this.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New International Version)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Were all those "conditions" the result of DNA? What drove someone to become a slanderer? Sexually immoral? A male prostitute?

Bad genes?

Doomed by their genes? What if its proven that police and hardened criminals have the same genetic makeup? Many cops will be the first to admit that they are good at what they do because they can think like a criminal.

Paul could think like a Jew. Yet, he knew freedom through Christ. In his genes?

If anything, what's in the genes of those who have a propensity for homosexuality is really a soulish affinity for demonic influence. For the first homosexuals come from the kingdom of fallen angels, not men.

In the Greek and Hebrew there is no such thing as a feminine gender angel. Yet, we find goddesses throughout pagan worship. The first drag queens were not men.

I can elaborate if you want. Or, if you are simply curious to see what it is the Scriptures reveals as to why God would see homosexuality as an abomination.

Just ask.

Grace and truth, GeneZ
"Paul could think like a Jew. Yet, he knew freedom through Christ. In his genes? " Does this imply that Jews are genetically predisposed to reject Christianity? I'm sorry to nitpick, but this hit a chord.

Also, many people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism, ADHD, drug abuse and other behaviors. That does not mean that they have to act on it. Homosexuality is described as a sin in the Bible, but so is drinking too much, lying, stealing, etc. Perhaps if we choose not to judge people and demostrate Christ's love through our actions and words, they might seek to change. Several of the homosexuals I have met have put many Christians to shame with how they conduct their everyday lives.
 
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During previous generations, up to say, the late 90's, I would have said that it was most likely to be number 4.

However, in recent times, society seems to be accepting and even, in some countries, promoting gay culture. In those societies, number 5 may be more common.

Number 4.

Promoting gay culture does not create more homosexuals. When society accepts homosexuals, the homos feel more comfortable in not hiding there sexual identity.

Let's use a city like san francisco: san francisco doesn't breed more gays than any other city, because they are more accepting of gays.

The reason why San Francisco has a larger percentage of homosexuals than other regions of the country, is because many gays leave their former homes in other parts of the country, because of the discrimination they face there, so they decide to live in a city where they are welcome.

It's the same way immigrants prefer to live in areas, where there are other immigrants such as them.
 
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Number 4.

Promoting gay culture does not create more homosexuals. When society accepts homosexuals, the homos feel more comfortable in not hiding there sexual identity.

Let's use a city like san francisco: san francisco doesn't breed more gays than any other city, because they are more accepting of gays.

The reason why San Francisco has a larger percentage of homosexuals than other regions of the country, is because many gays leave their former homes in other parts of the country, because of the discrimination they face there, so they decide to live in a city where they are welcome.

It's the same way immigrants prefer to live in areas, where there are other immigrants such as them.


We all might benefit from getting an indepth and honest teaching course on Roman culture at the time of Christ. Bisexual expression was commonplace. Sexual expression between men and boys was considered an option. Many were ammoral sexually.

Its the Holy Spirit that has been transforming the world over the centuries. Taking mankind out of the type of thinking that permeated both Greek and Roman history and bring him to where he is today. The things we find to be shocking today, or disgusting? Back then? People would have shrugged and thought little of it.

We have no idea how far removed we are from what man used to be like because of our cultural upbringing. All we are seeing today by the pro gay and sexual freedom movement is a desire to regress, not progress. Yet, its all done under the pretense of being progressive. That's what I find to be so ironic.

Grace and peace, GeneZ
 
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God did not make them homosexual. God knew that some would be homosexual. He decreed that they should be born and live.

This is why God decrees some to be born gay...
John 9:1-3 (New International Version)
"As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life."
In spite of all the denials, some gay people are delievered from homosexuality. I have seen several testimonies to this. And, they all complained how the gay community called them liars for their testimony.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New International Version)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
I do not care if one wants to argue the meaning of the word translated "homosexual." Just look at all the other types of sinning that was mentioned. If God can deliver them! He can deliever anyone who - not wants simply to be delivered - but, wants to follow the Lord!

That's the key. Not simply wanting to be delivered is enough! But, their primary desire is to be to follow and to know Christ!

That is why so many fail. They simply 'try Christ' to see if it will work for them. Like some will try a new type of therapy.

They see Christ as a means to try and improve self, but not for the sake to truly be a disciple. They will use the name of Christ (some of them) to secure for themselves an air of respectability with the outside world.
2 Timothy 3:5 niv
"Having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them."
But, that again. Is using Christ. Not following Him.
Grace and truth, GeneZ​
Is that their fault, or is it a result of the modern gospel that is preached

eg "give your life to Christ and you'll have peace, love, joy and hapniess?"

I tend to think its the modern gospel, people end up trying Christ for all the wrong reasons
 
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That's old and disproven propaganda. I'm suprised you didn't know this.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New International Version)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
Were all those "conditions" the result of DNA? What drove someone to become a slanderer? Sexually immoral? A male prostitute?

Bad genes?

Doomed by their genes? What if its proven that police and hardened criminals have the same genetic makeup? Many cops will be the first to admit that they are good at what they do because they can think like a criminal.

Paul could think like a Jew. Yet, he knew freedom through Christ. In his genes?

If anything, what's in the genes of those who have a propensity for homosexuality is really a soulish affinity for demonic influence. For the first homosexuals come from the kingdom of fallen angels, not men.

In the Greek and Hebrew there is no such thing as a feminine gender angel. Yet, we find goddesses throughout pagan worship. The first drag queens were not men.

I can elaborate if you want. Or, if you are simply curious to see what it is the Scriptures reveals as to why God would see homosexuality as an abomination.

Just ask.

Grace and truth, GeneZ​

Disproven??? Dont make me laugh!

Im not talking about personality traits, that only develops later in the childs life. Im talking about the fact that they might be prone to being homosexual. This occurs very early in the childs life, perhaps even during pregnancy.
 
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