Why are they gay?

[ReformedChapin]

And if they are Gay what can they do about it? They just can't stop being attracted to men.
(Thats sends me shivers)
Unless there is a way. Then this world would make me happier.

If you believe in God they can. There has been homosexuals who turned away from their sinful ways.

 

[Sam Gamgee]

I'm getting tired of of reapting myself...God didn't make them that way. If you think he did please provide scriptural support. thanks.

Again, that is your opinion

I happen to believe that people are born gay, just as people are born straight.

 

[Sam Gamgee]

If you believe in God they can. There has been homosexuals who turned away from their sinful ways.

Yup. I was one of those gays for a long time... turned away from my gay life...

Worst years of my life.... During those years, God was the furthest that He has ever been from my life

 

[GenemZ]

I recognize my sin. What I'm saying is that my sin is between me and God.... Period. And nobody has the right on this earth to discriminate against me because of my sin.

The way you speak does not indicate that you recognize your sin. That is why you keep getting responses as you do. I appears you wish to legalize the acceptance for homosexuality (civil) from what I believe you wrote. Yet? You recognize your sin? How is that?

And? As far as discrimination? If you call yourself a believer? It places you in God's Word as to be treated a certain way by those who choose to walk in moral straightness.

1 Corinthians 5:11 niv
But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
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I know that your sin is between you and God.

But, in the mean time. That is what the Word says one is to do with someone who calls himself a believer, yet wishes to live in sexual immorality. Do not associate with him. It does not say, be his friend and openly accept him. You wish open acceptance, even if you choose to have an active homosexual relationship going on. We have an obligation to God, too. Its not all about you.

Now if you are walking in grace and growing in truth? Being chaste, like any single Christian should be walking? Then you are a welcome guest. But, I have seen in the past that homosexual Christians in particular have a big problem with remaining pure. Because in God's eyes, there is no such thing as homosexual dating.

So be it... we have all been given our cross to bear. God is not unfair. He is not unjust. He knows what each one of us can bear in temptation. And, he knows of the struggle that all believers go through in achieving maturity in Christ. Some who were homosexuals before they got saved get there. Many do not. Just like many who are heterosexuals do not get there. Most will fail to achive maturity in Christ. They may grow in perfecting their self image in religion. But, not in Christ.

Matthew 7:13-15 (New International Version)
""Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."

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Homosexuality is your cross to bear. Why? That is what you need to discover as you mature in Christ. Not in the excuses the world offers.

In Christ, GeneZ

 

[ReformedChapin]

Again, that is your opinion

I happen to believe that people are born gay, just as people are born straight.

Again provide scriptural support, other than your belief is based you pulling things out of the air. I can do that all I want and christian morality with disintigrate.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Yup. I was one of those gays for a long time... turned away from my gay life...

Worst years of my life.... During those years, God was the furthest that He has ever been from my life

Obviously you didn't turn away from your sin

 

[Sam Gamgee]

The way you speak does not indicate that you recognize your sin.

*snip*

Homosexuality is your cross to bear.
In Christ, GeneZ

You are 100% correct.

And you know what? When I get to the pearly gates and I stand before God and ask to enter heaven, one of two things'll happen.

1) I'll get into heaven, just as I am and I will know what I suspect now, that God loves me just as He made me

2) God will say that since I didn't repent for my sins, I will not get into heaven. If this is the case... If God wants no part of me because I am a gay man, then I want no part of God.



Understand this: I am fully aware that I am a sinner. But, I am an unrepetent sinner. Why? Because, I am fully secure in my relationship with God. I know God loves me as I am.

 

[Sam Gamgee]

Obviously you didn't turn away from your sin

I tried, with no success.

I'm a better Christian today than I was when I was lying to myself and those people around me.

 

[JonathonD]

Everyone has some attraction for everyone... I think I read it somwhere

 

[Sam Gamgee]

Again provide scriptural support, other than your belief is based you pulling things out of the air. I can do that all I want and christian morality with disintigrate.

I don't need to provide scriptural support for my opinions because not all of my opinions are formed from Biblical scripture.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I tried, with no success.

I'm a better Christian today than I was when I was lying to myself and those people around me.

That's up to God to decide

 

[JonathonD]

People have been battling with this question, I am just curious cause of this thread.
Will gays goto Heaven?

 

[ReformedChapin]

I don't need to provide scriptural support for my opinions because not all of my opinions are formed from Biblical scripture.

Then you have no bases for it, then what's the difference between a secularist and your opinion?

 

[Sam Gamgee]

People have been battling with this question, I am just curious cause of this thread.
Will gays goto Heaven?

That's for God to decide.

 

[Sam Gamgee]

Then you have no bases for it, then what's the difference between a secularist and your opinion?

My basis is my life.

Does a prisoner of war know about what it's like to be a prisoner of war?

Does a man who works for 40 year inside a Winnie-The-Pooh costume know what it's like to work in a giant bear costume?

Does a violinist know what it's like to have calloused fingers?


My life experience is my basis... And it's more valid than anything that somebody on the internet can ever say to me.

 

[ReformedChapin]

My basis is my life.

Does a prisoner of war know about what it's like to be a prisoner of war?

Does a man who works for 40 year inside a Winnie-The-Pooh costume know what it's like to work in a giant bear costume?

Does a violinist know what it's like to have calloused fingers?


My life experience is my basis... And it's more valid than anything that somebody on the internet can ever say to me.

So there is no difference between yours on a secularist. They would claim their basis for their beliefs is their life experiences...ok

 

[Sam Gamgee]

So there is no difference between yours on a secularist. They would claim their basis for their beliefs is their life experiences...ok

I've never heard of that term, but from your brief description, that certainly seems to apply to me.

Part of what forms my decisions is my life experiences. Another part is what I read, watch and learn (the Bible being one of many things that I've read). Another part is from what I've learned in my education.

And all of those things combine to form my opinions on various things in life...

 

[vossler]

Part of what forms my decisions is my life experiences. Another part is what I read, watch and learn (the Bible being one of many things that I've read). Another part is from what I've learned in my education.

Yes for all of us this could be said. The question then becomes, when opinions conflict, what source of learning is superior to others?

 

[Sam Gamgee]

Yes for all of us this could be said. The question then becomes, when opinions conflict, what source of learning is superior to others?

Good question.

It depends on the situation. I will say that the Bible doesn't "win out" (for lack of a better term) in all situations.

In many cases, my scientific mind comes to more logical answers...

Additionally, being liberal-leaning, and living in New Hampshire (who's state motto is "live free or die"), I don't always fall in agreement with Biblical laws.

 

[GenemZ]

Yup. I was one of those gays for a long time... turned away from my gay life...

Worst years of my life.... During those years, God was the furthest that He has ever been from my life

So, you have no longer turned away. You are actively homosexual?

Well...... what can we reason with, then?


There are straights that have their worse years of their life as they become isolated by God, so he can have them to Himself for a season of transformation. Its painful even for straights when God does that. But, its not a simple matter of abstinence. Its a matter of VIRTUE being erected in the soul of the believer, so that morality becomes a relaxed and peaceful matter. Not one of dispair and lonliness. That is, if one is finding Christ in their life, and not simply a life of moral legalism.

Romans 8:17 niv​

Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.​

Philippians 1:29 niv​

For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him."​

Hebrews 2:18 niv​

Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted."​

Those are just empty words to you?

Is it because you put your sin above the desire to please Christ?

Jesus Christ is less real to you than your sin is? ......

That is why believers reject God's plan for their lives. For what they desire in their flesh is more real to them than Christ.

Yet, for those who persevere? Who refuse to quit?

1 Peter 1:6-8 (New International Version)​

"In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy."​

If our faith is not genuine? Faith is what we believe concerning God's Word. If its false? We will not have what it takes to be made able by grace to break trough and overcome the demonic forces that wants to keep all believers down and ineffectual.

Many lose this battle because what they prefer over true faith is distortions which makes them feel good about themselves in their self image. All done in the name of Christ.

2 Timothy 4:3 (New International Version)​

"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."​

Many will not put up with (endure) sound doctrine.

Just like those with a self righteous judgemental mind set will find a church that offers legalism to follow, as to give license to judge others who are not naturally strict like they are.

There will also be certain churches raised up to pamper homosexuals who refuse to accept the challenge God has offered them in Christ.

Jesus said, the way to destruction is "broad and wide."
Its not for just one group of like minded people!
For every wide and varied natural preference that is to be found and is manifested in natural man.... there will be somewhere out there, a denomination created in order to appeal to that natural preference. It will be broad and wide..... thousands of denominations.

Some Gays find churches that tell them its OK to be gay.

Legalists find churches that tell them its righteous to judge others and look down their noses when another may have a drink, dance, or practice mixed bathing.

Others, want to believe that God loves them simply because they volunteer to do nice things for others. Yet, they neglect the constant growth needed in the knowledge of the Word as to achieve maturity in Christ. For, "He is the Word."

Doing nice sacrificial things for others imputes no knowledge... nothing but a sweet and gentle sense of self approval, for being a nice altruistic soul by nature.

Well.... so be it. That's the way it will be for many.

Matthew 7:13-15 (New International Version)​

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."​

Grace and truth, GeneZ​

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