Why are there religious people?

Colter · May 4, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
No, it's not. (Gosh, that was easy).

That's your opinion which yes, is way easy. Non conformist hate labels even though they are all alike.

Atheist tend not to agree with this position for obvious reasons while my fellow believers often make the same observation about the promotion of Atheism as a belief or faith because Atheist can no more disprove God than believers can prove the existence of God. Atheist who are enthusiastic promoters of Atheism then live their Godless philosophy, expand upon it, promote it. Atheism becomes a kind of way of life.

Archaeopteryx · May 4, 2015

Colter said:
That's your opinion which yes, is way easy. Non conformist hate labels even though they are all alike.

That's just like your opinion dude.

Atheist tend not to agree with this position for obvious reasons while my fellow believers often make the same observation about the promotion of Atheism as a belief or faith because Atheist can no more disprove God than believers can prove the existence of God.

Atheists don't need to disprove the existence of god.

Atheist who are enthusiastic promoters of Atheism then live their Godless philosophy, expand upon it, promote it. Atheism becomes a kind of way of life.

I'm not sure what counts as a "promoter" of atheism.

TheBarrd · May 4, 2015

Hmmm...interesting thread.

I would say that, if you are an atheist, and you regularly come into threads like this one, then yes, you are promoting atheism.
If not, what are you doing here?

Colter · May 4, 2015

That's just like your opinion dude.

right

Atheists don't need to disprove the existence of god.

They can't, that's why the promotion of their belief qualifies as such, its their theology, their philosophy of life, their faith.

I'm not sure what counts as a "promoter" of atheism.

One who willfully promotes Godless ideals as opposed to one who is neutral, stays home, does gardening or paints the shed.

Colter · May 4, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
That's just like your opinion dude.

Atheists don't need to disprove the existence of god.

I'm not sure what counts as a "promoter" of atheism.

TheBarrd said:
Hmmm...interesting thread.

I would say that, if you are an atheist, and you regularly come into threads like this one, then yes, you are promoting atheism.
If not, what are you doing here?

Seems rather obvious to me.

Archaeopteryx · May 4, 2015

Colter said:
right

Right, dude.

They can't,

They don't need to.

that's why the promotion of their belief qualifies as such, its their theology, their philosophy of life, their faith.

You seem to be confusing a lack of a theology for a theology.

One who willfully promotes Godless ideals as opposed to one who is neutral, stays home, does gardening or paints the shed.

That's just silly. More than that, it's downright pompous. Why can't atheists talk about religion? Why shouldn't they? It's not as if religion is inconsequential to the way society is organised.

Colter said:
Seems rather obvious to me.

Yeah, but that's like your opinion, dude.

Archaeopteryx · May 4, 2015

TheBarrd said:
Hmmm...interesting thread.

I would say that, if you are an atheist, and you regularly come into threads like this one, then yes, you are promoting atheism.
If not, what are you doing here?

Having a conversation? What are you doing?

TheBarrd · May 4, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
Having a conversation? What are you doing?

Listening and learning.
At this point, not promoting anything...
Just listening....and learning.

Colter · May 4, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
Right, dude.

They don't need to.

You seem to be confusing a lack of a theology for a theology.

That's just silly. More than that, it's downright pompous. Why can't atheists talk about religion? Why shouldn't they? It's not as if religion is inconsequential to the way society is organised.

Yeah, but that's like your opinion, dude.

Are you getting younger or is 'dude" just reaching AU as an idiom?

Atheist can talk about religion, I didn't say you couldn't. You can talk about religion while promoting Atheism at the same time. Religionist can talk about Atheism as a movement as well and it's consequence on society.

Atheism or the New Atheism promotes a Godless lifestyle while attacking the faith of the religious.

Archaeopteryx · May 4, 2015

Colter said:
Are you getting younger or is 'dude" just reaching AU as an idiom?

No, I just don't take exchanges with you very seriously, given your past conduct.

Atheist can talk about religion, I didn't say you couldn't. You can talk about religion while promoting Atheism at the same time. Religionist can talk about Atheism as a movement as well and it's consequence on society.

Atheism or the New Atheism promotes a Godless lifestyle while attacking the faith of the religious.

Yeah, that sweet "godless lifestyle".

Colter · May 4, 2015

No, I just don't take exchanges with you very seriously, given your past conduct.

Now that's passive aggressive Dr.

Yeah, that sweet "godless lifestyle".

I can actually agree with you on that point. It's easier to have either thrown in the towel or made the whole souled surrender, It's the in-between part is difficult for those on the path of faith.

I can imagine an odd form of serenity in the idea of just living our the rest of ones life to a meaningless end, perhaps even in fellowship with other doomed souls who offer solace in the decision.

Archaeopteryx · May 4, 2015

Colter said:
Now that's passive aggressive Dr.

Not really. Just know when not to waste my efforts. A little wiser in that regard, perhaps.

I can actually agree with you on that point. It's easier to have either thrown in the towel or made the whole souled surrender, It's the in-between part is difficult for those on the path of faith.

I can imagine an odd form of serenity in the idea of just living our the rest of ones life to a meaningless end, perhaps even in fellowship with other doomed souls who offer solace in the decision.

What decision? What meaninglessness? What doom? Riddles in the dark?

TheBarrd · May 4, 2015

Isn't atheism a 'godless lifestyle'?
Let me rephrase...isn't atheism living without God?

TheBarrd · May 4, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
What decision? What meaninglessness? What doom? Riddles in the dark?

In the interest of listening and learning, I have a question here.
Do atheists make a conscious decision to reject religion?
You do realize that to a person who does have faith, living without it does seem meaningless.
And yes...we do believe that a person who has rejected God is doomed, although we are quite sad about it.
Is there a kind of peace in just not worrying about it?

Archaeopteryx · May 4, 2015

TheBarrd said:
Isn't atheism a 'godless lifestyle'?
Let me rephrase...isn't atheism living without God?

Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. I don't know what kind of "lifestyle" you think that might entail.

Archaeopteryx · May 4, 2015

TheBarrd said:
In the interest of listening and learning, I have a question here.
Do atheists make a conscious decision to reject religion?
Is there a kind of peace in just not worrying about it?

I suppose that would depend on the individual atheist. Most atheists would say that they do not consciously choose to lack belief; they just don't believe; they're not convinced.

You do realize that to a person who does have faith, living without it does seem meaningless.

Yes, I understand that very well, because I once believed that also.

bhsmte · May 4, 2015

TheBarrd said:
Isn't atheism a 'godless lifestyle'?
Let me rephrase...isn't atheism living without God?

Atheism is lack of belief in a God.

Just as, you lack belief in other Gods.

Many, live a good life with a lack of belief in a God, believe it or not.

TheBarrd · May 4, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. I don't know what kind of "lifestyle" you think that might entail.

Honestly, I don't either. I have had atheists tell me that I am "missing out", and I have to wonder what they think I am "missing out" on...
So, here I am, talking with real live atheists...and I'm asking, because I am trying to understand.

Albion · May 4, 2015

The reason that there are always religious people, even while history is moving along, is because it is inherent in the human condition. What changes is the KIND of religion, but religion itself is always present and always will be.

Christianity, as we have always known it, may be losing some of its appeal, but it has never ceased to evolve, so that its demise is not guaranteed. Meanwhile, and despite the predictions of some that religion is fading away, other religions take its place.

In addition to new cults that look just like religion but have different doctrines than we've been accustomed to, there are outwardly secular movements like Global Warming/Environmentalism that are into a cause that is just as much a religion as Christianity. And then there are the Science-worshippers, the devotees of primitive folk cultures, and etc. These are all religions.

Archaeopteryx · May 4, 2015

TheBarrd said:
Honestly, I don't either. I have had atheists tell me that I am "missing out", and I have to wonder what they think I am "missing out" on...
So, here I am, talking with real live atheists...and I'm asking, because I am trying to understand.

I don't know what they mean by "missing out" either. You would have to ask them. Sorry for the vague response, but I just don't don't know what they might mean.

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