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Why are there no son- mother purity balls?

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I am a secularist and I don't expect men OR women to be chaste. I don't think you are speaking well for secularists. There are individuals of all walks of life that perpetuate the double standard. But just like chastity for all is a Christian "policy" it is not secular "policy" for one sex to be chaste and another to be promiscuous. You are not being accurate except by saying that a double standard exists. Individuals promote that double standard not a collective classification.
 
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To be specific in secular culture guys are not expected to be chaste. In Christian culture we do not have that double standard.

I think that's an overgeneralized statement. Christian "culture" doesn't exist in a vacuum.

According to the abstinence-only curriculae, much of it written by "faith-based" health experts, a clear double standard is being taught to girls and boys, which focuses on social, rather than health aspects of sexuality:

http://www.alternet.org/story/37956/

The main assumption, again, is that boys have a stronger sex drive, are weaker in resisting lust, while girls are more interested in the boy's personality. It's also implied that it's up to girl to maintain the purity standard, since she is "more in control" of her impulses.

For example, from the "Reasons To Wait" training manual:""Girls need to be aware they may be able to tell when a kiss is leading to something else. The girl may need to put the brakes on first in order to help the boy." (Student Workbook, Reasonable Reasons to Wait) Because, after all, he can't help himself. "A woman is far more attracted by a man's personality while a man is stimulated by sight. A man is usually less discriminating about those to whom he is physically attracted."

Due to sheer physiology, the above assumptions are bunk, as well as sexist. They are from a very old-fashioned notion that women aren't interested in sex, or hate it, or just do it as a duty ("Close your eyes and think of England>") Girls are perfectly capable of, and are subject to hormonal urges and desires! Like the boy, the pleasurable area of sexuality is externally located, and they can be just as easily aroused as boys.

One of the worst aspects of some abstinence-only curriculum, is portraying sex as an uncontrollable force:

"Portraying sexual arousal as a force outside of students’ control is in direct conflict with the goal of helping young people make responsible decisions, including the decision to remain abstinent. Students need to know that at any point in a relationship, regardless of whether they have begun to engage in sexual activity, they have the right and the ability to set their own sexual boundaries. "

That's a dangerous assumption, especially for people who live in a fiercely conservative religious environment, that is both repressive and patriarchal in the way it treats women.
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/...214787.php?compage=30&comcount=35&comlimit=10

http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/3215

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/13/60minutes/main617270.shtml
http://www.arsrc.org/downloads/sia/dec05/issue.pdf
 
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To be specific in secular culture guys are not expected to be chaste. In Christian culture we do not have that double standard.

A question about double standards: why is it that some seem to claim that America (including American society) is based on Christianity when we are talking politics and societal institutions (such as marriage) yet when it is an uncomfortable area of society for these Christians it is because of "secular society"? Seems like either society is based historically on either Christianity or securalism -- you can't have it both ways.
 
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probably since most mothers are no longer virgins and can't pledge their purity....
Amusing. Nonetheless, although purity balls might be more appealing to young girls, the question can be more broadly asked as this: why aren't there occasions at which a son pledges to his mother that he will remain a virgin until his wedding night?
 
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All this just seems so absurd to me. People making jokes about purity balls and such. All I know is that I don't think there would be too many parents out there that would say, "Well, if my child (whether it be a boy or girl) loses there virginity at a young age (teenagers) that is okey dokey with me, because that's there business." Surely most parents would rather their child remain a virgin until marriage (even though that isn't very common now-a-days) instead of starting to have sex at an early age and sleeping with countless partners before they marry. My husband and I have a son and daughter and when they do reach the age where sex is an issue in there life(they are 7 and 3 right now) we will have a talk with them about abstaining from sex and waiting till marriage. Whether or not they will is there choice, but of course our hopes for them is that they will.
 
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All this just seems so absurd to me. People making jokes about purity balls and such. All I know is that I don't think there would be too many parents out there that would say, "Well, if my child (whether it be a boy or girl) loses there virginity at a young age (teenagers) that is okey dokey with me, because that's there business." Surely most parents would rather their child remain a virgin until marriage (even though that isn't very common now-a-days) instead of starting to have sex at an early age and sleeping with countless partners before they marry.

I agree; most parents do want their children, especially in today's world, to remain abstinent until they are either married, or with a significant other. Sitting down with children, one to one, at home and having serious discussions about sexuality and relationship, giving the children information and education without fear and distortion, keeping the the lines of communication open without condemnation, is far more effective, IMO, than an event or a pledge.
 
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All I know is that I don't think there would be too many parents out there that would say, "Well, if my child (whether it be a boy or girl) loses there virginity at a young age (teenagers) that is okey dokey with me, because that's there business." Surely most parents would rather their child remain a virgin until marriage (even though that isn't very common now-a-days) instead of starting to have sex at an early age and sleeping with countless partners before they marry.

I would not want my child to remain a virgin until marriage. I cannot possibly imagine my child (who, if recent trends hold, would probably be upwards of twenty-five on his honeymoon) experiencing sex for the first time after making a lifelong commitment to someone.

I know to some of you, that seems sweet. But to me, it seems both frightening and irresponsible.
 
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I would not want my child to remain a virgin until marriage. I cannot possibly imagine my child (who, if recent trends hold, would probably be upwards of twenty-five on his honeymoon) experiencing sex for the first time after making a lifelong commitment to someone.

I know to some of you, that seems sweet. But to me, it seems both frightening and irresponsible.


I an understand why it may not be something you think necessary, but I don't understand how that can be considered frightening and irresponsible.

What is irresponsible about it should he choose to wait? What is frightening?
 
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Because I think about my first lover—whom I loved very much in every other way at the time—and I realize how sad and limited my life would have been had I married him.

I would never have had an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in my life, for one thing. And I know, I know, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] aren't everything. But sex is important, and the thought of marrying someone with whom you do not know if you are sexually compatible is, in my humble opinion, irresponsible. But to each his own!
 
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Because I think about my first lover—whom I loved very much in every other way at the time—and I realize how sad and limited my life would have been had I married him.

I would never have had an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in my life, for one thing. And I know, I know, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] aren't everything. But sex is important, and the thought of marrying someone with whom you do not know if you are sexually compatible is, in my humble opinion, irresponsible. But to each his own!

No offense intended, I don't think that's something anyone can really gauge or say with all certainty.

It could be argued that sexuality and compatibility is something that grows with time between the two partners, as they get to know each other and their needs. It may be a lot of hard work, and it may be frustrating indeed, but I don't think it is something that people are incapable of getting over.

BUt then again, I will admit that I am not experienced in such matters.
 
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To be specific in secular culture guys are not expected to be chaste. In Christian culture we do not have that double standard.

Let's get some historical context for Purity Balls and the rest of it.

Way back when a woman who had sex out of wedlock was likely to get pregnant due to the fact that the only contraceptives available were made from iffy home recipes. It was provable that she was pregnant, but often the man could get off scot free, unless he was honourable and stepped up the plate.

A man could have sex without much reprocusion. Any evidence that he had had sex would be put down to a "he said - she said" battle, and the woman would likely lose, as women were seen as weaker, lesser creatures.

Way back when balls were often done with the intention of showing off daughters so that those daughters would get married off. Those girls would get married off to middle-aged widows, often friends of the girl's father.

So, then, to modern purity balls. To get down to brass tacks, the teenage girls are being shown off by their fathers to other fathers, and are being shown to be clean, honourable virgins.

However, it would seem that the balls themselves are little hypocritical. Showing of girls in pretty gowns, girls who are pledging virginity until marriage! Not only does it reduce those girls to little more than property but it also doesn't do much to actually prevent pregnancy.

Putting those girls in ballroom dancing lessons, or in softball teams, or in ballet or music lessons or language clubs, now there is a way of assuring that a girl becomes a responsible, well-rounded person who will make the right decisions when the time comes! Giving the girls power over themselves to make the right decisions is a much better way to prevent sex than to leave the decision up to the father!

I think the fact that there are so few mother-son purity balls is a throwback to the time when mothers were to be "taken care of" by their sons, when women did not have personhood. It's backwards thinking, to be sure, and shows that we haven't yet come far enough, baby!

Women and men are now both "persons" Women are able to use their talents and strengths to earn careers, and they no longer need sons to "take care of them". And, of course, daughters are now able to use their strengths to help out parents just as much as sons if the need does arise!
 
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I think we'll really be able to argue for cultural equality when we see mothers "giving away" their sons to the brides at weddings.


It is very common here for the mother and the father to walk up the aisle with their daughter. I have been to several weddings where this is also done with the groom. The notion of being "given away" is also being left behind.

Most women here do not take the last name of their spouse. Times are slowly changing, but we do not have a vocal minority trying to publicly impose their beliefs on society or have special laws enacted.
 
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No offense intended, I don't think that's something anyone can really gauge or say with all certainty.


Well, all I can do is speak for myself. But I know that I was with my first lover for three years, and it didn't get any better. We weren't just incompatible in subjective ways—we were anatomically incompatible. Which is something I'm glad I knew before I married him.

I'm sure other people have different viewpoints, but to me, more knowledge about a person you're going to marry is better. I wouldn't buy a car without driving it, either.
 
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Because I think about my first lover—whom I loved very much in every other way at the time—and I realize how sad and limited my life would have been had I married him.

I would never have had an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in my life, for one thing. And I know, I know, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] aren't everything. But sex is important, and the thought of marrying someone with whom you do not know if you are sexually compatible is, in my humble opinion, irresponsible. But to each his own!
I feel kind of strange sharing this info with stangers, but I was 24 when I married and my husband was 22, and we were BOTH virgins. It wasn't a frightening experience and I don't think we were irresponsible because we chose not to sleep with other people before marrying. We have been married 11 years, have 2 children, and are doing great! Personally, that is what I would hope my two children would choose to do, but once again, that will be their choice, but I will definitely tell them of our experience and how special it has been to us.
 
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I would not want my child to remain a virgin until marriage. I cannot possibly imagine my child (who, if recent trends hold, would probably be upwards of twenty-five on his honeymoon) experiencing sex for the first time after making a lifelong commitment to someone.

I know to some of you, that seems sweet. But to me, it seems both frightening and irresponsible.
Oh, you stated that you can't imagine your child being 25 and experiencing sex for the first time on their honeymoon, but can you imagine your child experiencing sex for the first time at the age of 12 or 13 like many do these days. That seems frightening to me.
 
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Oh, you stated that you can't imagine your child being 25 and experiencing sex for the first time on their honeymoon, but can you imagine your child experiencing sex for the first time at the age of 12 or 13 like many do these days. That seems frightening to me.

What about the 10-13 years in between her numbers and yours? It isnt either/or. :confused:
 
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That is spectacular! I did not know it.

It is very common here for the mother and the father to walk up the aisle with their daughter. I have been to several weddings where this is also done with the groom. The notion of being "given away" is also being left behind.

Most women here do not take the last name of their spouse. Times are slowly changing, but we do not have a vocal minority trying to publicly impose their beliefs on society or have special laws enacted.
 
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