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I have just read the book of Genesis (to see what all the fuss is about) and if some people take what it says
literally then my heart goes out to them, it is my considered opinion that if a person
is prepared to believe that version of events then they should be made to wear a sign to
let other people know who they are, so the rest of us can keep clear of them.

It is clear to anyone it was written by people who knew nothing and understood even less,
give it to a child to read and they will see through it straight away, when they have read
it ask them if they think that's how the earth was made and they will laugh and say no,
and look at you in disgust that you even thought they could believe it.

So if you are one of the people who believe it, take a long hard look in the mirror because
you have got problems, ask any child and they will tell you the same.
 
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Not sure what you mean by Earth being the only place that is inhabited.

By alien worlds, I mean worlds other than our own, not necessarily inhabited.

In fact, it would be a huge waste of a creator's times to make only one inhabited world out of billions.
Not if He knew that we would one day inhabit it.
 
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So if you are one of the people who believe it, take a long hard look in the mirror because
you have got problems, ask any child and they will tell you the same.
Guess you haven't been around that many kids, at least believers. What a self righteous, load of ignorance.
 
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You are right, the children I know have minds of their own,
It's more than likely you were one of the people who indoctrinated the
ones you know.
Having a mind of our own is not something that only children indoctrinated by you have. This is news?
 
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I have had much experience in scientific research. Actually a lot of my research was inspired by scripture. I say this: dont mistake scripture for 'popular opinions'. There is nothing in Genesis that precludes the existence of life on other planets or in other solar systems in other galaxies.

In Ephesians 1-3, it speaks of Jesus rising from the dead and being made to sit (conferrance of a seat of governance) and being made to sit in the heavenlies.

If you want what I am convinced to be a big hint, I have little doubt that the asteroid belt was the result of a intellegently wrought destruction (warlike or otherwise)--ya know like...a war in heaven.

Now remember, Jesus was made to sit in the heavenlies. I have spent much time studying, praying concerning these things. Now, consider the 'sweet influences of the Pleiades'. Consider the waters above the firmament being the multitudes above the firmament. Now imagine specific multitudes above the firmament influencing activites below the firmament sweetly. Now just for grins, consider 'earth' being all dry land throughout all of the solar system and not just on Planet Earth. Consider that the moon specifically is known to have a regulatory affect to provide for sustaining life on Planet Earth. Consider that it is a matter of fact that the moon has regulatory effects on life on earth even when the sun isnt shining. There was an experiment done that showed that certain sea life would open its shell whenever the moon was directly above or directly below (i.e. the moon is not based on daylight regulation but night regulation)--it did not matter whether the sun was out. They even did the experiment IN THE DARK INSIDE A BUILDING and the sea life still opened its shell when the moon was directly below or above. The sun deals with activities that pertain to daylight. The moon also affects chemical processes on the earth. I learned that a chemical process that had interest to me which people said was not predictable was actually predictable--that is, if I did the experiment at specific phases of the moon I got a higher concentration than otherwise.

Consider the potential existence of beings who act as agent of Our Father in the heavenlies who have the knowledge to create planets, stars or the like on His behalf. Consider that God may have been speaking to the heavenly court in Genesis.

Remember, in the past in Europe, those who spoke of the earth being round and who were persecuted long ago. People were told that they would fall off the edge of the earth if they sailed away from Europe. US Slaves were told that Indians would kill them if they ran away. Consider some people might tell you things so that you remain blind to the truth and captive. Or perhaps some things are not told you for your own good until you are ready.

As far as I could see, the Bible doesn't necessarily say anything about there NOT being life on other planets or life outside the earth. As a matter of fact, the Tower of Babel reference speaks of man trying to build a tower to access/reach heaven. Obviously there must be some way for man to live beyond the planet. Consider also potential superior 'spiritual symbology' concerning Tower of Babel.

Again, prayerfully consider these things. There is much hidden that will be revealed to those who dilligently seek God.

And those who refer to Genesis as 'childs play', to say everything came from a random event--might that also be rather flimsy an explaination?

Also, if you really want to fish when a time fish will be biting, get a moon-based chart. http://www.anglerguide.com/articles/522.html. I would have thought some things was 'wives tale'-ish.

Another thing, I've come across rather strong evidence that the moon is more intelligently designed and controlled than it might otherwise appear. Another thing, this is for those who really want answers and are willing to seek and find, there was a famous album by Pink Floyd called "Dark Side of the Moon", many people think they are talking about the moon above Earth--they aren't. Hint: the moon they are talking about has a name similar to one of Noah's sons. Now what's interesting is that a very famous movie was made about a trip to this moon. However, for some *nudge nudge* strange reason, they used the name of a different moon than in the original basis for the story.

Another thing, maye like when I was the littlest boy reading about astronomy, I learned of quasars and they seemed so weird. I got a revelation from God that they were useful (if not specifically made) for navigational purposes. And what do you know, EVEN GPS/GLONASS SATELLITES use quasars to deal with navigational abberations/errors ("VLBI sources").
 
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I have had much experience in scientific research. Actually a lot of my research was inspired by scripture. I say this: dont mistake scripture for 'popular opinions'. There is nothing in Genesis that precludes the existence of life on other planets or in other solar systems in other galaxies.
Is there anything that suggests that there is? If not, so what?
In Ephesians 1-3, it speaks of Jesus rising from the dead and being made to sit (conferrance of a seat of governance) and being made to sit in the heavenlies.
Right, but who says that the heavenly city is just physical, such as you might imagine are hiding out there living on planets?

If you want what I am convinced to be a big hint, I have little doubt that the asteroid belt was the result of a intellegently wrought destruction (warlike or otherwise)--ya know like...a war in heaven.
So, a war in heaven blasts physical rock now??? Is there some bible that supports that notion?

Now remember, Jesus was made to sit in the heavenlies. I have spent much time studying, praying concerning these things. Now, consider the 'sweet influences of the Pleiades'.
OK, what about them?

Consider the waters above the firmament being the multitudes above the firmament.

The waters came down in the flood, remember? Are you suggesting we were flooded with aliens????

Now one could also consider the earth being all dry land throughout all of the solar system and not just this planet.
The earth doesn't go into all this solar system, in case you never heard.
[Consider that there are ancient texts that speak of a time before the moon was put into orbit around the earth.]
Really? Maybe a few sources and links are in order here.

Consider that the potential of beings who act as agent of Our Father in the heavenlies who have the knowledge to create planets, stars or the like on his behalf. Consider that God may have been speaking to the heavenly court in Genesis.
So, what makes you say the creator knighted untold numbers of beings to also be little creators???
Remember those who spoke of the earth being round were persecuted long ago.
That could be overdone. I think the ancients were not as dumb as they say.

People were told that they would fall off the edge of the earth if they sailed away from Europe. US Slaves were told that Indians would kill them if they ran away.
Really? Can you cite 4 or 5 instances of this??

The Bible doesn't necessarily say anything about there NOT being life on other planets.
There will be.
As a matter of fact, the Tower of Babel reference speaks of man trying to build a tower to access/reach heaven. Obviously there must be some way for man to live beyond the planet. Consider also the 'superior spiritual symbology' concerning Tower of Babel.
Woah. The spiritual level was beings that were spiritual. That could have been very close, not beyond the planet at all.
Again, prayerfully consider these things. There is much hidden that will be revealed to those who dilligently seek God.
True, and you will find that it happens to agree with the bible.
 
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Is there anything that suggests that there is? If not, so what?

Right, but who says that the heavenly city is just physical, such as you might imagine are hiding out there living on planets?

I dont suggest heaven to be a physical. Perhaps you are projecting that into the thread.

The earth doesn't go into all this solar system, in case you never heard.
There is 'dry land' on the moon, for example.

So, what makes you say the creator knighted untold numbers of beings to also be little creators???

Angels were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah right? Could angels be sent to create a city too?


Where did the angels visiting Lot come from?

Really? Can you cite 4 or 5 instances of this??

http: //en. wikipedia.org / wiki / Flat_Earth


True, and you will find that it happens to agree with the bible.
And not necessarily, say, Western cultural opinions, for example.
 
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Is there anything that suggests that there is? If not, so what?

Right, but who says that the heavenly city is just physical, such as you might imagine are hiding out there living on planets?

I don't recall suggesting heaven to be purely physical at all. I dont recall referring to a 'heavenly city' in particular. Perhaps you are projecting that into the thread. I learned to set out to read things and listen to people things say without adding to it. Lo behold..

"And when he {Jesus} was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21



The earth doesn't go into all this solar system, in case you never heard.
Well the post was obviously speculative thus "Consider..." Consider that there is 'dry land' on the moon, for example. Speculative considerations. But dont listen to mere speculation--look to what the scriptures say. I must be clear on that.

So, what makes you say the creator knighted untold numbers of beings to also be little creators???

In Genesis, Angels were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, right? Who would have 'knighted' them? Could angels also be sent to *create* a city too? Also, I did not say that God knightest anyone. I alluded to considering the potential. Also, did Jesus ever knight, deputize or commission anyone anyone?

Where did the angels visiting Lot come from?

Really? Can you cite 4 or 5 instances of this??

http: //en. wikipedia.org / wiki / Flat_Earth


True, and you will find that it happens to agree with the bible.
=) And not necessarily in agreement with, say, Western cultural opinions, for example.

Let me clarify concerning this thread. I was mainly typing concerning those who feel that belief in a God somehow doesnt jibe with the notion of science or is somehow inferior thereto. My point was, concerning people with that mindset something, to encourage them to think about it in that perhaps there is far more to it than meets the eye.

On the topic, just as a potentially speculative-even-just-for-'fun'-question: is there anything in these following verses to show there could be living beings of some sort beyond the earth or above the firmament? Or is it all just symbolic? Are stars a type of celestial body? Could a stars actually be...alive? I'm just asking based specifically on the wording of the verses: 1) speaks of influence from a set of stars, 2) the other speaks of stars singing and believers/sons of God shouting for joy.

"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?" Job 38:31

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7.
 
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Let me clarify concerning this thread. I was mainly typing concerning those who feel that belief in a God somehow doesnt jibe with the notion of science or is somehow inferior thereto. My point was, concerning people with that mindset something, to encourage them to think about it in that perhaps there is far more to it than meets the eye.

On the topic, just as a potentially speculative-even-just-for-'fun'-question: is there anything in these following verses to show there could be living beings of some sort beyond the earth or above the firmament? Or is it all just symbolic? Are stars a type of celestial body? Could a stars actually be...alive? I'm just asking based specifically on the wording of the verses: 1) speaks of influence from a set of stars, 2) the other speaks of stars singing and believers/sons of God shouting for joy.

"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?" Job 38:31

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7.

Woudst thou kindly consider that thou art living in the past and thou art looking for something that dust not exist,
try living in the here and now and stop living in an old book.
Thou woudst do well to heed these words lest devils smite thee dead, and barnicles from Noah's ark will manacle thine head.
 
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I have just read the book of Genesis (to see what all the fuss is about) and if some people take what it says
literally then my heart goes out to them, it is my considered opinion that if a person
is prepared to believe that version of events then they should be made to wear a sign to
let other people know who they are, so the rest of us can keep clear of them.

It is clear to anyone it was written by people who knew nothing and understood even less,
give it to a child to read and they will see through it straight away, when they have read
it ask them if they think that's how the earth was made and they will laugh and say no,
and look at you in disgust that you even thought they could believe it.

So if you are one of the people who believe it, take a long hard look in the mirror because
you have got problems, ask any child and they will tell you the same.
Thanks for your empathy.
 
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Thanks for your empathy.

You are welcome, I am pleased I could help,
I only wish I could be of more help but I can not find the key and everything is locked up tight,
nothing could get in absolutely nothing, a pity really because there is a lot of sense floating around here,
but I am afraid unless we can force an entry all is lost and people are going to their graves hogtied
and hoodwinked, all we can hope is as they get older they get a little smarter, I am certainly seeing things
clearer, the closer I get to death the more I know there is no God.

I suppose it makes no difference really because we have no memory when we are dead,
(how can you know that? you can not prove that) true, but I will stick with common sense and leave
religion to those who make money from it, because it's a darn good business to be in, no costs only profit.
 
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You are welcome, I am pleased I could help,
I only wish I could be of more help but I can not find the key and everything is locked up tight,
nothing could get in absolutely nothing, a pity really because there is a lot of sense floating around here,
but I am afraid unless we can force an entry all is lost and people are going to their graves hogtied
and hoodwinked, all we can hope is as they get older they get a little smarter, I am certainly seeing things
clearer, the closer I get to death the more I know there is no God.

I suppose it makes no difference really because we have no memory when we are dead,
(how can you know that? you can not prove that) true, but I will stick with common sense and leave
religion to those who make money from it, because it's a darn good business to be in, no costs only profit.
When you use phrases like "common sense" I wonder if it is used to try to cover the fact that you cannot construct a logical argument for your worldview.
 
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When you use phrases like "common sense" I wonder if it is used to try to cover the fact that you cannot construct a logical argument for your worldview.
It would be quite a feat indeed for a few posts on a forum to unravel your lifetime of living within your worldview (whether or not automan or I think your worldview defies common sense). I'll give you a quick snapshot of mine, as I cannot speak for others. These bullets come verbatim from "Humanism and Its Aspirations", the third manifesto of the Humanist society.
  • Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis.
  • Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change.
  • Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.
  • Life’s fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals.
  • Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships.
  • Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.
In my case, some of the many positions which logically follow from these tenets are: God probably does not exist; the Bible is probably fiction; the universe is nonetheless devastatingly large and beautiful; and so on.
 
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Dad,
The way you think and write would make even the most ardent Creationist think twice,
you do more against the creationism cause than a bucket full of Atheists could even do.
Welcome.
Don't know how you mean, but thanks.
 
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I dont suggest heaven to be a physical. Perhaps you are projecting that into the thread.
No, just trying to figure out what you are suggesting.

There is 'dry land' on the moon, for example.
So?

Angels were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah right? Could angels be sent to create a city too?
Oh, OK. I don't know. Apparently He did the deed Himself for creation week, however, and I take it as a clue that He needs to do some things Himself.

Where did the angels visiting Lot come from?
Who knows? There are angels in New Jerusalem, the modern version of heaven. One could assume that the spiritual place where God was before, and the angels was where they were. They tried to build a tower to that place, it must have been close.

Really? Can you cite 4 or 5 instances of this??
http: //en. wikipedia.org / wiki / Flat_Earth
Well, people still say strange things, does it mean we all believe in the sandman, or santa, or the tooth fairy, just because it is written about? Give man some credit. I doubt, when boats disappeared over the horizon fishing, that they thought they had fallen off the planet! Especially when they kept coming back.

True, and you will find that it happens to agree with the bible.
And not necessarily, say, Western cultural opinions, for example.
Or eastern, for example.
 
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It would be quite a feat indeed for a few posts on a forum to unravel your lifetime of living within your worldview (whether or not automan or I think your worldview defies common sense). I'll give you a quick snapshot of mine, as I cannot speak for others. These bullets come verbatim from "Humanism and Its Aspirations", the third manifesto of the Humanist society.

  • Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis.
  • Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change.
  • Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.
  • Life’s fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals.
  • Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships.
  • Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.
In my case, some of the many positions which logically follow from these tenets are: God probably does not exist; the Bible is probably fiction; the universe is nonetheless devastatingly large and beautiful; and so on.
Do you notice the breakdown from bullet 1 to bullet 2. In bullet 1 they make a statement that knowledge is derived through observation, experimentation and rational analysis. In bullet 2 they say evolution is a result of unguided evolutionary change.

Now you accurately identify the bullets as tenets but what would be the point of concluding that God does not exist. The tenets have no logical foundation from the beginning. So there is no reason to act as though there is a foundation for belief. You should just state that you have made an a priori decision that God does not exist and you have built a resulting belief system on that premise.
 
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Let me clarify concerning this thread. I was mainly typing concerning those who feel that belief in a God somehow doesnt jibe with the notion of science or is somehow inferior thereto. My point was, concerning people with that mindset something, to encourage them to think about it in that perhaps there is far more to it than meets the eye.

On the topic, just as a potentially speculative-even-just-for-'fun'-question: is there anything in these following verses to show there could be living beings of some sort beyond the earth or above the firmament? Or is it all just symbolic? Are stars a type of celestial body? Could a stars actually be...alive? I'm just asking based specifically on the wording of the verses: 1) speaks of influence from a set of stars, 2) the other speaks of stars singing and believers/sons of God shouting for joy.

"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?" Job 38:31

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7.
Well, who knows? But they need not be alive as we know it to have been created to influence personalities of man. I seem to recall also a star being sort of a position, or title of some angels? You seem to feel that the only way a constellation could influence men, is if there were angels living on the planets or something there. My feeling is that the stars we now see, and universe is a physical one, and different from the created state, that included the spiritual. I can't see spirits living there now in the part we can see. In the coming new universe, or 'heavens' yes, I could see even us living there, some of us, if we wanted. At least part time.
 
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