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Not if He knew that we would one day inhabit it.Not sure what you mean by Earth being the only place that is inhabited.
By alien worlds, I mean worlds other than our own, not necessarily inhabited.
In fact, it would be a huge waste of a creator's times to make only one inhabited world out of billions.
Guess you haven't been around that many kids, at least believers. What a self righteous, load of ignorance.So if you are one of the people who believe it, take a long hard look in the mirror because
you have got problems, ask any child and they will tell you the same.
Having a mind of our own is not something that only children indoctrinated by you have. This is news?You are right, the children I know have minds of their own,
It's more than likely you were one of the people who indoctrinated the
ones you know.
Is there anything that suggests that there is? If not, so what?I have had much experience in scientific research. Actually a lot of my research was inspired by scripture. I say this: dont mistake scripture for 'popular opinions'. There is nothing in Genesis that precludes the existence of life on other planets or in other solar systems in other galaxies.
Right, but who says that the heavenly city is just physical, such as you might imagine are hiding out there living on planets?In Ephesians 1-3, it speaks of Jesus rising from the dead and being made to sit (conferrance of a seat of governance) and being made to sit in the heavenlies.
So, a war in heaven blasts physical rock now??? Is there some bible that supports that notion?If you want what I am convinced to be a big hint, I have little doubt that the asteroid belt was the result of a intellegently wrought destruction (warlike or otherwise)--ya know like...a war in heaven.
OK, what about them?Now remember, Jesus was made to sit in the heavenlies. I have spent much time studying, praying concerning these things. Now, consider the 'sweet influences of the Pleiades'.
Consider the waters above the firmament being the multitudes above the firmament.
The earth doesn't go into all this solar system, in case you never heard.Now one could also consider the earth being all dry land throughout all of the solar system and not just this planet.
Really? Maybe a few sources and links are in order here.[Consider that there are ancient texts that speak of a time before the moon was put into orbit around the earth.]
So, what makes you say the creator knighted untold numbers of beings to also be little creators???Consider that the potential of beings who act as agent of Our Father in the heavenlies who have the knowledge to create planets, stars or the like on his behalf. Consider that God may have been speaking to the heavenly court in Genesis.
That could be overdone. I think the ancients were not as dumb as they say.Remember those who spoke of the earth being round were persecuted long ago.
Really? Can you cite 4 or 5 instances of this??People were told that they would fall off the edge of the earth if they sailed away from Europe. US Slaves were told that Indians would kill them if they ran away.
There will be.The Bible doesn't necessarily say anything about there NOT being life on other planets.
Woah. The spiritual level was beings that were spiritual. That could have been very close, not beyond the planet at all.As a matter of fact, the Tower of Babel reference speaks of man trying to build a tower to access/reach heaven. Obviously there must be some way for man to live beyond the planet. Consider also the 'superior spiritual symbology' concerning Tower of Babel.
True, and you will find that it happens to agree with the bible.Again, prayerfully consider these things. There is much hidden that will be revealed to those who dilligently seek God.
Is there anything that suggests that there is? If not, so what?
Right, but who says that the heavenly city is just physical, such as you might imagine are hiding out there living on planets?
I dont suggest heaven to be a physical. Perhaps you are projecting that into the thread.
The earth doesn't go into all this solar system, in case you never heard.
There is 'dry land' on the moon, for example.
So, what makes you say the creator knighted untold numbers of beings to also be little creators???
Angels were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah right? Could angels be sent to create a city too?
Where did the angels visiting Lot come from?
Really? Can you cite 4 or 5 instances of this??
http: //en. wikipedia.org / wiki / Flat_Earth
True, and you will find that it happens to agree with the bible.
And not necessarily, say, Western cultural opinions, for example.
Is there anything that suggests that there is? If not, so what?
Right, but who says that the heavenly city is just physical, such as you might imagine are hiding out there living on planets?
I don't recall suggesting heaven to be purely physical at all. I dont recall referring to a 'heavenly city' in particular. Perhaps you are projecting that into the thread. I learned to set out to read things and listen to people things say without adding to it. Lo behold..
"And when he {Jesus} was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21
The earth doesn't go into all this solar system, in case you never heard.
Well the post was obviously speculative thus "Consider..." Consider that there is 'dry land' on the moon, for example. Speculative considerations. But dont listen to mere speculation--look to what the scriptures say. I must be clear on that.
So, what makes you say the creator knighted untold numbers of beings to also be little creators???
In Genesis, Angels were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, right? Who would have 'knighted' them? Could angels also be sent to *create* a city too? Also, I did not say that God knightest anyone. I alluded to considering the potential. Also, did Jesus ever knight, deputize or commission anyone anyone?
Where did the angels visiting Lot come from?
Really? Can you cite 4 or 5 instances of this??
http: //en. wikipedia.org / wiki / Flat_Earth
True, and you will find that it happens to agree with the bible.
=) And not necessarily in agreement with, say, Western cultural opinions, for example.
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Let me clarify concerning this thread. I was mainly typing concerning those who feel that belief in a God somehow doesnt jibe with the notion of science or is somehow inferior thereto. My point was, concerning people with that mindset something, to encourage them to think about it in that perhaps there is far more to it than meets the eye.
On the topic, just as a potentially speculative-even-just-for-'fun'-question: is there anything in these following verses to show there could be living beings of some sort beyond the earth or above the firmament? Or is it all just symbolic? Are stars a type of celestial body? Could a stars actually be...alive? I'm just asking based specifically on the wording of the verses: 1) speaks of influence from a set of stars, 2) the other speaks of stars singing and believers/sons of God shouting for joy.
"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?" Job 38:31
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7.
Thanks for your empathy.I have just read the book of Genesis (to see what all the fuss is about) and if some people take what it says
literally then my heart goes out to them, it is my considered opinion that if a person
is prepared to believe that version of events then they should be made to wear a sign to
let other people know who they are, so the rest of us can keep clear of them.
It is clear to anyone it was written by people who knew nothing and understood even less,
give it to a child to read and they will see through it straight away, when they have read
it ask them if they think that's how the earth was made and they will laugh and say no,
and look at you in disgust that you even thought they could believe it.
So if you are one of the people who believe it, take a long hard look in the mirror because
you have got problems, ask any child and they will tell you the same.
Thanks for your empathy.
When you use phrases like "common sense" I wonder if it is used to try to cover the fact that you cannot construct a logical argument for your worldview.You are welcome, I am pleased I could help,
I only wish I could be of more help but I can not find the key and everything is locked up tight,
nothing could get in absolutely nothing, a pity really because there is a lot of sense floating around here,
but I am afraid unless we can force an entry all is lost and people are going to their graves hogtied
and hoodwinked, all we can hope is as they get older they get a little smarter, I am certainly seeing things
clearer, the closer I get to death the more I know there is no God.
I suppose it makes no difference really because we have no memory when we are dead,
(how can you know that? you can not prove that) true, but I will stick with common sense and leave
religion to those who make money from it, because it's a darn good business to be in, no costs only profit.
It would be quite a feat indeed for a few posts on a forum to unravel your lifetime of living within your worldview (whether or not automan or I think your worldview defies common sense). I'll give you a quick snapshot of mine, as I cannot speak for others. These bullets come verbatim from "Humanism and Its Aspirations", the third manifesto of the Humanist society.When you use phrases like "common sense" I wonder if it is used to try to cover the fact that you cannot construct a logical argument for your worldview.
Don't know how you mean, but thanks.Dad,
The way you think and write would make even the most ardent Creationist think twice,
you do more against the creationism cause than a bucket full of Atheists could even do.
Welcome.
No, just trying to figure out what you are suggesting.I dont suggest heaven to be a physical. Perhaps you are projecting that into the thread.
So?There is 'dry land' on the moon, for example.
Oh, OK. I don't know. Apparently He did the deed Himself for creation week, however, and I take it as a clue that He needs to do some things Himself.Angels were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah right? Could angels be sent to create a city too?
Who knows? There are angels in New Jerusalem, the modern version of heaven. One could assume that the spiritual place where God was before, and the angels was where they were. They tried to build a tower to that place, it must have been close.Where did the angels visiting Lot come from?
Well, people still say strange things, does it mean we all believe in the sandman, or santa, or the tooth fairy, just because it is written about? Give man some credit. I doubt, when boats disappeared over the horizon fishing, that they thought they had fallen off the planet! Especially when they kept coming back.http: //en. wikipedia.org / wiki / Flat_Earth
Or eastern, for example.True, and you will find that it happens to agree with the bible.
And not necessarily, say, Western cultural opinions, for example.
Do you notice the breakdown from bullet 1 to bullet 2. In bullet 1 they make a statement that knowledge is derived through observation, experimentation and rational analysis. In bullet 2 they say evolution is a result of unguided evolutionary change.It would be quite a feat indeed for a few posts on a forum to unravel your lifetime of living within your worldview (whether or not automan or I think your worldview defies common sense). I'll give you a quick snapshot of mine, as I cannot speak for others. These bullets come verbatim from "Humanism and Its Aspirations", the third manifesto of the Humanist society.
In my case, some of the many positions which logically follow from these tenets are: God probably does not exist; the Bible is probably fiction; the universe is nonetheless devastatingly large and beautiful; and so on.
- Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis.
- Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change.
- Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.
- Lifes fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals.
- Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships.
- Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.
Well, who knows? But they need not be alive as we know it to have been created to influence personalities of man. I seem to recall also a star being sort of a position, or title of some angels? You seem to feel that the only way a constellation could influence men, is if there were angels living on the planets or something there. My feeling is that the stars we now see, and universe is a physical one, and different from the created state, that included the spiritual. I can't see spirits living there now in the part we can see. In the coming new universe, or 'heavens' yes, I could see even us living there, some of us, if we wanted. At least part time.///
Let me clarify concerning this thread. I was mainly typing concerning those who feel that belief in a God somehow doesnt jibe with the notion of science or is somehow inferior thereto. My point was, concerning people with that mindset something, to encourage them to think about it in that perhaps there is far more to it than meets the eye.
On the topic, just as a potentially speculative-even-just-for-'fun'-question: is there anything in these following verses to show there could be living beings of some sort beyond the earth or above the firmament? Or is it all just symbolic? Are stars a type of celestial body? Could a stars actually be...alive? I'm just asking based specifically on the wording of the verses: 1) speaks of influence from a set of stars, 2) the other speaks of stars singing and believers/sons of God shouting for joy.
"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?" Job 38:31
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7.
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