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Someone said no essential Christian doctrine depends upon a literal interpretation of Genesis that he is aware of.
I'm making him aware of the essential doctrine of Original Sin.
So you take the position that Jesus was a mere human man?We don’t observe that doctors are completely incapable of bringing a person back to life 3 days later? We don’t observe irreversible brain damage occurring within just a few minutes of being dead? How are these not empirical evidence?
Perhaps the problem is considering "original sin" an essential doctrine.
Any system in which the innocent are punished for the actions of the guilty isn't providing any incentive to be innocent.
No, I wasn't.And you were going to explain why the doctrine of Original Sin depends on a literal reading of Genesis but never got around to it.
The poster in question believes the concept of Original Sin was a master stroke on the part of the Designer.Of course it is essential doctrine, if not, why the great push to baptize infants so they aren't damned for their uncleanliness if they die?
Oh, wait, the poster in question doesn't believe in infant baptism...
No, I wasn't.
I pointed out a doctrine that is dependent on a literal interpretation of Genesis 1.
Therefore: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
I had a look at a Fundamentalist Baptist Church site and its contempt for other Christian denominations particularly the RC church.The only difference between you and those IFB preachers of yours I see online is that they have the courage of their convictions to be explicit about their hate.
We believe that the Ecumenical Movement is Satan’s attempt to bring the world’s religions together in preparation for the Antichrist and his Great Roman Catholic harlot.
Those such as true Fundamentalist Baptists, who put Jesus and the Bible first, will be beheaded (or otherwise murdered) by this end-time “church” of Rome.
However, Calvinism also teaches that some men and women cannot be saved by Jesus -- a doctrine which is clearly against the Bible.
We believe that Pentecostalism is Satan’s counterfeit to true revival.
I'm afraid you, I and 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the world's population have had it if this occurs in our lifetime.Jesus will then return to Earth; execute all of the Christ-rejecting and Bible-rejecting sinners; bind up Satan in Hell; and set up his Kingdom on Earth. After a thousand years, God will let Satan out of Hell for a short while, the Earth will be destroyed, and God will create a new Heavens and Earth. There will also be a Great White Throne judgment of the wicked, with all those who rejected Jesus on Earth being cast into The Lake of Fire to burn there forever.
So you take the position that Jesus was a mere human man?
Never mind. You may take it that 2PhiloVoid's last post (#979) is an accurate summary of my own position.
But Genesis is different?
Reading Genesis as metaphor doesn't preclude that. Do you have something else?Original Sin
A day does not convey the analogy of billions of years. If God wanted to give an analogy or metaphor for billions of years He could’ve said years as numerous as the stars like He did when He mentioned Abraham’s descendants.
How do you know
This isn’t just about the creation account in Genesis but every miracle performed by God that is recorded in the scriptures that contradicts science which would include Jesus’ birth and resurrection which are foundational beliefs for a Christian. If a person can’t believe these literally took place then they literally don’t believe the gospel.
Isnt obvious to me.That the BoM was meant to be taken as a fact? Smith himself wrote it as a fact. And Genesis is a metaphor? Well, the universe wasn't created in six days so it's obviously not meant to be taken literally.
As a Christian, what I must believe is entirely contaned in a statement of faith called the Nicene Creed. This has been true for 1600 years right down to the present day and even defines what a Christian is in this forum. It is derived from an older, very similar creed which is atrributed to the Apostles themselves. The Creed says nothing about a six-day creation or a global flood and doesn't even mention the Bible or how we are to read it.Did He feed 5,000 from a few loaves and fishes? Whatever. It's not important. Did He walk on water? Who knows. Maybe it was shallow water. Maybe someone made it up. It's not important. Did He turn water into wine? Probably not. But who cares? It's not important.
The only miracle that you need to believe as a Christian is that He was born as the son of God and that He died for our sins and was resurrected.
That's it. Burning bushes, parting seas, talking snakes and a six day creation aren't anything you need to believe to be a Christian. Whether you want to believe them or not is entirely up to you. So please, we don't need any arguments that one must take literally every single word written in the bible.
You have chosen the six day of creation as being somehow important for you being a Christian. And you say that because you imply that it casts doubt on other passages? But you don't believe everything is meant literally. And you can take them as parable or as metaphor because they don't have to be acceoted as being literally true for your salvation. And it's the same with six day creation. It has no bearing whatsoever on the miracle of Jesus' birth or his resurrection. Period.
Then why do the Mormons believe the universe was created in six days?That the BoM was meant to be taken as a fact? Smith himself wrote it as a fact. And Genesis is a metaphor? Well, the universe wasn't created in six days so it's obviously not meant to be taken literally.
Isnt obvious to me.
I figure the people who composed the story
didnt know any better.
First time i went to Philippines people were
making a fuss, all kinds of noise to scare the lizard
that was trying to eat the moon.
People did and do think up all kinds of things,
and then start to believe them.
As a Christian, what I must believe is entirely contaned in a statement of faith called the Nicene Creed. This has been true for 1600 years right down to the present day and even defines what a Christian is in this forum. It is derived from an older, very similar creed which is atrributed to the Apostles themselves. The Creed says nothing about a six-day creation or a global flood and doesn't even mention the Bible or how we are to read it.
As a Christian, what I must believe is entirely contaned in a statement of faith called the Nicene Creed. This has been true for 1600 years right down to the present day and even defines what a Christian is in this forum. It is derived from an older, very similar creed which is atrributed to the Apostles themselves. The Creed says nothing about a six-day creation or a global flood and doesn't even mention the Bible or how we are to read it.
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