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Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

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Perhaps it's late where you are. I'm sure you'll see this more clearly after a good sleep.
Thank you (and TLK) for the correction.

I fixed it in my post.

I'm glad you guys caught that.

See -- you're learning!
 
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I never really was taught anything about folk religion,
coz mom is so allergic to religion of any kind.
 
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I never really was taught anything about folk religion,
coz mom is so allergic to religion of any kind.
It's kinda interesting, I certainly would recommend Richard Dawkins The Magic of Reality. It's an interesting and fun read.
He talks about various things. e.g. Rainbows and he talks about a mythology explanation for the rainbow and he also presents the science explanation.
He refers to many different mythology explanations for things, not just Christian and his science explanations are done in a colourful and interesting way. So its not just dry science.
So side by side the science sounds just as interesting and consumable as the myth stories.
 
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I've gotta say I find taking the phrase "Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." to mean the same as "For a spontaneous process, the entropy of the universe increases." seems a bit of a stretch.

However, I also find "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now" is a bit over the top. Perhaps they were talking about whinging POMs??? I tend to focus on the bright side of things, I don't tend to dwell on things that aren't going exactly the way I would want it to.
I would say that life is full of joy and opportunity but often met with twists, turns and challenges just to add some variety.
 
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We are learning together, all of us.

Indeed -- but to be fair, the fact that creationism is pseudoscience which relies on pseudointellectual jargon in vain attempts to pass itself off as the genuine article was (I would hope) already well known.
 
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"'Real magic' refers to the magic that is not real; while the magic that is real, that can actually be done, is not real magic" Lee Siegel
 
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Henry M. Morris clearly had no idea what he was talking about.

If you like, I can explain why.
 
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So not the Bible itself, but something Morris added to the Bible. You know, I hope, what the Bible itself has to say about adding to Scripture.
 
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Indeed -- but to be fair, the fact that creationism is pseudoscience ...
No, it isn't.

It isn't pseudoscience, fauxscience, or even junk science.

It isn't science at all.

It is a series of miracles over a six-day period that raised the level of mass/energy from zero to what it is today.
 
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No, it isn't.

It isn't pseudoscience, fauxscience, or even junk science.

It isn't science at all.

It is a series of miracles over a six-day period that raised the level of mass/energy from zero to what it is today.

And yet you use pseudoscientific language in your effort to give it the illusion of credibility.

Physician, heal thyself.
 
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And yet you use pseudoscientific language in your effort to give it the illusion of credibility.
What? you mean I use the terms "creatio ex niihilo" and "creatio ex materia" to differentiate between how God created the universe?

Would you rather I not make that differentiation and say He just spoke it into existence as documented?

And if you say YES, then how would YOU differentiate between matter coming from absolute nothingness and matter coming from preexisting mass/energy?
 
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What? you mean I use the terms "creatio ex niihilo" and "creatio ex materia" to differentiate between how God created the universe?

Not what I had in mind... those terms you (might) be sincere about knowing and understanding.

I was thinking more about entropy and the mass/energy ratio of the universe...

Would you rather I not make that differentiation and say He just spoke it into existence as documented?

If you cared about sincerity, you'd be doing it already.

And if you say YES, then how would YOU differentiate between matter coming from absolute nothingness and matter coming from preexisting mass/energy?

I'd do it without pseudoscientific jargon... but then again, I'm sincere in my beliefs.
 
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And yet you use pseudoscientific language in your effort to give it the illusion of credibility.

Physician, heal thyself.
I agree whole heartedly with this.
If you are going to do pure Creationism then you shouldn't be using words such as "photosynthesis", "entropy", "universe" these are not mentioned in the bible.

Nor should you be throwing in terms such as "open system/closed system" or "Shekinah energy". These are also not mentioned or explained in the bible. They are simply not biblical.
They are embellishments awkwardly inserted to try to merge biblical understanding into other human realms such as science and rabbinic theology. Although I understand your intent is innocent, embellishing the bible is actually a way of corrupting the bible and in essence it is detracting from and twisting the very word of god. It is working against god rather than sharing the word of god.
 
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If you are going to do pure Creationism then you shouldn't be using words such as "photosynthesis", "entropy", "universe" these are not mentioned in the bible.
Why don't you just say you don't know the answers and make yourself look good?
 
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Why don't you just say you don't know the answers and make yourself look good?
I don't care about looking good. I gave my best attempt at answering your questions, they are there for all to see. I got a few right, probably most wrong. I don't know the bible. I freely admit that. I don't know creationism. But I am learning from this thread that creationist need to stick to what is literally in the bible, but it seems you are going above and beyond. So I am confussed on this aspect. Please explain.
 
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