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Why are so many people so bad?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dirk1540" data-source="post: 72049628" data-attributes="member: 380811"><p>Wow that was your interpretation of my posts? I'm not expressing an urge towards anything I'm asking questions that philosophers have asked. Plato in his Dialogues lays out a picture (that I will greatly shorten) of a humanity that would actually make sense...</p><p></p><p>"Will they not produce corn, and wine, and clothes, and shoes, and build houses for themselves? And they will feed on barly & wheat...they and their children will feast, drinking of the wine they have made...living in a sweet society, and having a care that their families do not exceed their means...and with such a diet they may be expected to live in peace to a good old age, and bequeath a similar life to their children after them."</p><p></p><p>Diogenes the Cynic thought we should "Turn and live with the animals, they are so placid and self-contained." But Plato asks the questions "Why is it that such a simple paradise never comes? Why is it that these Utopias never arrive upon the map?" He answers "Because of greed and luxury. Men are not content with a simple life: they are acquisitive, ambitious, competitive, and jealous; they soon tire of what they have, and pine for what they have not; and they seldom desire anything unless it belongs to others."</p><p></p><p>Ok is this a better way to word it than saying that humans gravitate towards dictatorships? So this cluster of innate human tendencies leads us to NOT be placid and self-contained. And the human desire to tire of what they have only to pine for what they have not, a desire for greed and luxury...traits like these cause us to end up with social structures founded on domination, and in a way where we destroy anything in our path (even nature) to get there.</p><p></p><p>Um, have I solved my problem?? Explain to me ANY point in evolutionary history where these traits would possibly be beneficial for the good of the human species? According to you they are a hand me down from a time when they were once beneficial.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dirk1540, post: 72049628, member: 380811"] Wow that was your interpretation of my posts? I'm not expressing an urge towards anything I'm asking questions that philosophers have asked. Plato in his Dialogues lays out a picture (that I will greatly shorten) of a humanity that would actually make sense... "Will they not produce corn, and wine, and clothes, and shoes, and build houses for themselves? And they will feed on barly & wheat...they and their children will feast, drinking of the wine they have made...living in a sweet society, and having a care that their families do not exceed their means...and with such a diet they may be expected to live in peace to a good old age, and bequeath a similar life to their children after them." Diogenes the Cynic thought we should "Turn and live with the animals, they are so placid and self-contained." But Plato asks the questions "Why is it that such a simple paradise never comes? Why is it that these Utopias never arrive upon the map?" He answers "Because of greed and luxury. Men are not content with a simple life: they are acquisitive, ambitious, competitive, and jealous; they soon tire of what they have, and pine for what they have not; and they seldom desire anything unless it belongs to others." Ok is this a better way to word it than saying that humans gravitate towards dictatorships? So this cluster of innate human tendencies leads us to NOT be placid and self-contained. And the human desire to tire of what they have only to pine for what they have not, a desire for greed and luxury...traits like these cause us to end up with social structures founded on domination, and in a way where we destroy anything in our path (even nature) to get there. Um, have I solved my problem?? Explain to me ANY point in evolutionary history where these traits would possibly be beneficial for the good of the human species? According to you they are a hand me down from a time when they were once beneficial. [/QUOTE]
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