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<blockquote data-quote="Dirk1540" data-source="post: 72034899" data-attributes="member: 380811"><p>But this sounds like speculation for an imaginary prior human timeframe, to get out of the problem.</p><p></p><p>The fact that sociopaths are 1% actually stresses what I'm saying. I was responding to a 2 part claim. The claim was that 'History' tells us that the human species were given 'Feelings' that make humans feel like it's right to make moves that benefit humans.</p><p></p><p>So the problem I have is that 'History' proves that humans gravitate towards the 'Feeling' that domination by a dictatorship is the correct move, and this feeling has been absolutely disastrous for humans time & time again. Humans do not have innate feelings towards a checks & balance form of leadership being the propper move. We actually had to scratch & claw away from that innate feeling to start reaching things like Athens, Roman Republic...then we really fell back under...then we had Magna Carta, etc.</p><p></p><p>Nearly all of the human species is at the mercy of being under the umbrella that they are under, the governing authority. This was nearly 100% of the social fabric of the human species. So I wasn't referring to the percentage of sociopaths, I was referring to the percentage of humans who fall under the social structure of governments.</p><p></p><p>That's our data though that's all we have to work with (as far as clues to instinctual social structure tendencies go). We have no clue if 100,000 years ago the impulse to be dominated by a king was just the impulse to be dominated by the local tribal ruler.</p><p></p><p>But I'm leery of getting too fancy with wild theories of hunter & gatherer humans being drastically different because basically humans are complete wimps in the wild. We're weak, we don't have claws, we're slow, etc. We need our human creative intelligence to be able to overcome our weakness. That's why I think there's a limit to how different we could have been. We pretty much have the identical special circumstances going on (as long as we were homo sapiens), so I would figure that social stucture can't drift TOO far away.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dirk1540, post: 72034899, member: 380811"] But this sounds like speculation for an imaginary prior human timeframe, to get out of the problem. The fact that sociopaths are 1% actually stresses what I'm saying. I was responding to a 2 part claim. The claim was that 'History' tells us that the human species were given 'Feelings' that make humans feel like it's right to make moves that benefit humans. So the problem I have is that 'History' proves that humans gravitate towards the 'Feeling' that domination by a dictatorship is the correct move, and this feeling has been absolutely disastrous for humans time & time again. Humans do not have innate feelings towards a checks & balance form of leadership being the propper move. We actually had to scratch & claw away from that innate feeling to start reaching things like Athens, Roman Republic...then we really fell back under...then we had Magna Carta, etc. Nearly all of the human species is at the mercy of being under the umbrella that they are under, the governing authority. This was nearly 100% of the social fabric of the human species. So I wasn't referring to the percentage of sociopaths, I was referring to the percentage of humans who fall under the social structure of governments. That's our data though that's all we have to work with (as far as clues to instinctual social structure tendencies go). We have no clue if 100,000 years ago the impulse to be dominated by a king was just the impulse to be dominated by the local tribal ruler. But I'm leery of getting too fancy with wild theories of hunter & gatherer humans being drastically different because basically humans are complete wimps in the wild. We're weak, we don't have claws, we're slow, etc. We need our human creative intelligence to be able to overcome our weakness. That's why I think there's a limit to how different we could have been. We pretty much have the identical special circumstances going on (as long as we were homo sapiens), so I would figure that social stucture can't drift TOO far away. [/QUOTE]
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