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You guys have darn near branded me, tarred and feathered me because of my Calvinist convictions.
So be it.
Don't even bother to reply, I WILL NOT RESPOND.
I'm outta here.
God Bless
Till all are one.
You are not commanded to teach that everyone will be saved! You must first seek before you can find and if you do not seek you will not be in the Kingdom.all that shows me is you can quote scripture, big deal.
Please explain why those scriptures are opposed to what we are commanded to teach.
annihilation is not the salvation of all.Sorry you feel that way DD, this is NOT about YOU as a person, it is about the views of eternal torment, annihilation and the salvation of all.
So how can people reason the scriptures with one another unless those views are discussed?
What I would truly like to see is a quid pro quo discussion on these topic where if you ask me a question I answer and if I ask you a question you answer, but this very seldom happens because people take it personally like you just did thinking we are picking on you, but again it is not about you, its about what you believe.
ok you are right and Paul was wrong.You are not commanded to teach that everyone will be saved! You must first seek before you can find and if you do not seek you will not be in the Kingdom.
annihilation is not the salvation of all.
Psalms 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Did you or did you not us these scriptures
“Since according to you 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:5 and 1 Corinthians 15:50 don't mean what they actually, literally say please tell me what Paul was talking about? If you can't or won't do that we have nothing further to talk about.”In opposition to Paul stating we are commanded to teach Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN?
Please tell us all why those scriptures teach something contrary to 1 Timothy 4:10
Because that was your point in using them.
And if that was not your point why did you use them when I stated Paul tells us to teach Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men.
Wrong! I am saying that your interpretation of 1 Tim is wrong based on other writings by Paul including the four passages I quoted. you can reconcile them, then do it don’t just talk about it.Your the one who is saying they oppose each other so it is up to you to reconcile them, which you cannot do according to the doctrines of eternal torment or annihilation.[size]
If you can reconcile them, then do it don’t just talk about it.I have no problem reconciling them, but you were the one who posted them so you are the one who needs to reconcile them for all to see
Then you should read Rev.22:14-17 and pay special attention to who it is that is without the gates of the city.
Wrong, again! “Death”, singular, not “deaths,” plural, is the last enemy. And there were many “enemies” plural, before the defeat of death. Those enemies will be Jesus’ footstool. When is that before or after God saves all of the unrighteous dead?”And who is that last enemies? DEATH
No you have only made an unsupported claim, quoting 100 year old, Thayer, that the bowing and confession is done in veneration, honor and praise. Here is the complete definition of kampto from BDAG one of, if not the, most highly accredited current Greek lexicons.Nonsense, I have already shown the bowing and confession is done in religious veneration and in honour and praise.
Is it your contention that at the judgment Jesus will tell many of His believers “Depart from me you workers of Iniquity. I never knew you?And did Jesus say that to the believers or the unbelievers. Hint it was to those who believe in him.
Is there only one verse in your Bible. I have 31,172 verses in my Bible. In my Bible I read where Paul wrote to three churches Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus and in four passages he said that the unrighteous, fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, abusers of themselves with mankind, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners, fornicators, unclean, lascivious, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, whoremongers, unclean persons, covetous and corruption will not inherit the kingdom of God. Paul was emphatic, he did not equivocate, he did not say “might not” or “maybe not.” Paul did not say anywhere that these 31 groups of unrighteous people would be saved no mater what.Huh! Every post you make is contrary to what we are commanded to teach for we are commanded to teach Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe.
I believe that Paul said Jesus is the savior of all men but, the same man, Paul also wrote the four passages I quoted. What is the proper way to reconcile 1 Tim 4:10 with the four passages I quoted? Here is an analogy. Donald Trump is the president of all Americans but all Americans do not accept him as their president. Jesus Christ is the savior of all men but all men do not/will not accept Him as their savior.Do you or do you not believe Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN?
I disagree.Wrong!! Abraham did according to Jesus. And there were certainly others.
Jesus said if we keep his teaching we can know the truth. He wasn’t lying.
If a man or woman supposedly walking with Jesus doesn’t know where they will be when they die, they aren’t very close to Jesus. Paul knew where he was going and he wasn’t arrogantly ignorant. Stephen saw Jesus was standing to receive him. No arrogant ignorance there.
But there is a kind of democratic view in understanding. All men supposedly have the same understanding or they are verbally stoned. No one is supposed to know more about the kingdom of God that anyone else....or else you are called.. .unbelievably...ignorant.
My view is hell is a very bad place and all who go there will deeply regret it and suffer and i would never give anyone reason not to fear what Jesus clearly warned about.
Yes I did quote those four passages they do not teach something contrary to 1 Tim 4:10 but they do disprove your false interpretation of 1 Tim.
Actually, I disagree. It is the last of a whole series of parables. An interesting note: The following cases can be made:I don’t believe that. It isn’t like any parable at all. And the whole teaching rests on it being real. If it never happened, it teaches us nothing. It like assuming Cinderella teaches young girls information about finding a mate.
It’s a direct statement from the Bible. Jesus said AbrahamI disagree.
I don't disagree with Jesus. I disagree with your interpretation of scripture.It’s a direct statement from the Bible. Jesus said Abraham
saw his day and was glad. Same with the other statement.
But you aren’t the first to disagree with Jesus.
This happened to me when I tried to discuss it with a deacon in my first church when I moved to my new home. I had to change churches. I didn't want do sew strife.Sorry you feel that way DD, this is NOT about YOU as a person, it is about the views of eternal torment, annihilation and the salvation of all.
So how can people reason the scriptures with one another unless those views are discussed?
What I would truly like to see is a quid pro quo discussion on these topic where if you ask me a question I answer and if I ask you a question you answer, but this very seldom happens because people take it personally like you just did thinking we are picking on you, but again it is not about you, its about what you believe.
But this is what I said you disagree with:I don't disagree with Jesus. I disagree with your interpretation of scripture.
Some know more now.We see as though a glass darkly, but then, face to face. We'll know more later.
If one cannot think and one never talks to God about His word, I guess one asks the internet.Actually, I disagree. It is the last of a whole series of parables. An interesting note: The following cases can be made:
1. The purple and linen represent the jewish priesthood.
2. The five brothers represent the five brothers of Judah https://www.christianforums.com/thr...le-of-rich-man-lazarus.1151098/#post-10574089
3. Or, the five brothers represent the five brothers of Caiaphas
4. The reference to lazarus coming back from the dead not being convincing to the five brothers looks forward to Christ's resurrection...
5. Or, it looks forward to the resurrection of Lazarus.
This is a very good rundown:
https://www.wake-up.org/bible-characters/rich-man-lazarus.html
As is this one:
http://www.jeremyandchristine.com/articles/lazarus.html
Thanks to the internet, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man has not only been heavily discussed, but the various interpretations have been given ample opportunity to be supported by their adherents to the point that the truth pretty clearly percolates to the top.
Not necessarily (I didn't look back at the previous posts)...Jesus said if we keep his teaching we can know the truth.
So you disagree with Jesus.
Sorry, no, that's not truth.Thanks to the internet, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man has not only been heavily discussed, but the various interpretations have been given ample opportunity to be supported by their adherents to the point that the truth pretty clearly percolates to the top.
interesting use of the word,
What do you mean "Abraham did according to Jesus" in regards to what I said.But this is what I said you disagree with:
Wrong!! Abraham did according to Jesus. And there were certainly others.
Jesus said if we keep his teaching we can know the truth.
So you disagree with Jesus.
Yeah. It looked funny as I hit the post button, and just left it.interesting use of the word,
but I think you meant "sow" as in sow seed, and not sew a garment....
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