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exegesis is a critical examination of the text IN CONTEXT where as eisegeting is based upon presuppositions and a lack of critical examination of the text wherein the verse is often taken out of context.Also a "good" exegesis may be wrong. I can say with pretty much certainty, and I think you agree with this, that no one has the perfect understanding of scripture.
exegesis is a critical examination of the text IN CONTEXT where as eisegeting is based upon presuppositions and a lack of critical examination of the text wherein the verse is often taken out of context.
Can you prove your statement?According to "Reformed Theology" it's all been pre-determined, and NOT predicated on our human actions (U). Some will live (L,I,P), and SOME (L - maybe most) will burn, and NOBODY has any choice in the matter.
Reformed theology is simply an exegetical examination of the word of God rather than an eisegetical examination thereof. You have shown in your posts, that I have thus far read, you really dont have a good grasp on what RT is.It may be that what has been explained here will help other readers who have wondered about Reformed theology, even if not every last person is in that category.
Can you argue this with Scriptures?SO then the Calvinise "U" is inaccurate. and God's decision to "Elect" an individual is CONDITIONAL on considerations that God foresees.
Why did God create all things? Was that arbitrary or was that according to His will and purpose?Consequently then, it'a an ARBITRARY decision on God's part to Save this one, and Condemn that one. You can't have it both ways.
So which is it??
You can prove it to yourself by reading the doctrines of Grace. What he described is pretty much spot on. God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world began. He did so according to the whole counsel of HIS WILL not the will of man. So if man's will plays no part in it then their "choice" is irrelevant. Do we choose? Yes, but not like many think. Our will is in bondage to the old nature until God gives us the new nature. Once that happens our will is in bondage to God and we will choose Christ affirmatively at that point because our nature is different. While in bondage to the old nature we will always reject the call to repentance, we will always reject Jesus, because we have not been convicted of our sin, our spiritual ears and eyes are still deaf and blind, the enmity is still between us and God. Only believers have Peace with God. I think what the other poster was saying when he said NOBODY has a choice is that he's talking about a "free will" choice which would be correct because the will is never truly free and as such, there is no such thing as free will choice. Even determinism debunks free will let alone God's choice of his elect according to his will and not man's.Can you prove your statement?
Well Ephesians 1 says from before the foundations of the earth.Not if the "Reformed Systematic" is correct. The decision to Save, or Condemn was already set in stone before the creation (supralapsarianism), OR sometime after the fall (infralapsarianism).
What Dr. Kennedy thinks or doesn't think isn't "Gods Word" - just HIS OPINION, so no help there. ALL God's CHilluns Gots "Opinions".
This is the second post (first one to @Albion) where you misread the post. I was responding to one who is opposed to the doctrines of Grace and raised up his own straw man argument.You can prove it to yourself by reading the doctrines of Grace. What he described is pretty much spot on. God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world began. He did so according to the whole counsel of HIS WILL not the will of man. So if man's will plays no part in it then their "choice" is irrelevant. Do we choose? Yes, but not like many think. Our will is in bondage to the old nature until God gives us the new nature. Once that happens our will is in bondage to God and we will choose Christ affirmatively at that point because our nature is different. While in bondage to the old nature we will always reject the call to repentance, we will always reject Jesus, because we have not been convicted of our sin, our spiritual ears and eyes are still deaf and blind, the enmity is still between us and God. Only believers have Peace with God. I think what the other poster was saying when he said NOBODY has a choice is that he's talking about a "free will" choice which would be correct because the will is never truly free and as such, there is no such thing as free will choice. Even determinism debunks free will let alone God's choice of his elect according to his will and not man's.
It might help to keep in mind that a stilted explanation like that one is likely to help no one understand Reformed theology, specifically as it concerns Predestination. But I genuinely do think that a lot of very clear and very good answers have been given by a range of people on this thread, such that anyone who is wondering but has an open mind should profit from reading those posts. I have learned that many more people read these things than enter into a discussion about them.Reformed theology is simply an exegetical examination of the word of God rather than an eisegetical examination thereof. You have shown in your posts, that I have thus far read, you really dont have a good grasp on what RT is.
Or they just visit the latest You Tube theologian who thinks they are apologists. I get a lot of You Tube links to supposed pastors and Bible teachers I never heard of and it only takes a few minutes to figure out they are mimicking just another nobody on the internet.In some cases it's because they see some error in the way it is usually presented.
In some cases it is because they have misunderstood what it teaches when rightly presented.
You have a your own systematic and probably don’t know it.Yup - so much for "Systematics" - Reformed or otherwise. They're NOT The Word of God. your commentary cite maybe is: Rom 9:16 "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy".
So man is the horse and God is the cart?For myself it basically renders the gospel gutless and meaningless-putting the cart ahead of the of horse regarding election, perseverance, assurance- opposing the gospel regarding the role of man's will.
Completely true and logical. We are all condemned and children of wrath until.Totally illogical.
No that’s not true.All Christiandom believe God is in charge. Reformed claim God meticulously controls everything in creation, down to the most base evil actions.
See the difference?
Salvation is totally by grace with humans doing nothing: noble, honorable, deserving, worthy to obtain salvation, but that does not mean the person “dead” in sin (by Christ’s definition of “dead’ in His uses to describe the prodigal son Luke 15) cannot or did not “do” something. In the likeness of the prodigal son who did nothing “worthy, honorable or noble”, the sinner while in a dead state is brought to his senses by his own bad choices and makes an autonomous free will choice to either hang in there, be a good soldier of satan, pay the piper and take the punishment he fully deserves or wimp out, give up and surrender to his enemy while God is still his enemy, with just the willingness for selfish reasons to humbly accept pure undeserved charity, but he certainly is not changing sides at this time. By the sinner just willingness to humbly accept pure charity, God can thus shower the sinner with unbelievable huge gifts, including eternal life, so it is all God doing it. Could the prodigal son boast of anything great he did? How can the beggar correctly desiring pure sacrificial charity “boast” about being given charity?Good Day, All
This Ligonier conference from 2015 in the QA session, attempts to answer this question.
.. “Once you understand the doctrines of grace, It’s like your breathing heavens air”
In Him,
Bill
Ok, so you are not opposed to the Doctrines of Grace. I stand corrected. My apologies.This is the second post (first one to @Albion) where you misread the post. I was responding to one who is opposed to the doctrines of Grace and raised up his own straw man argument.
No they are not.For all practical purposes they are exactly the same.
No problem bro. Been on these threads a lot defending Biblical doctrines which they doctrines of Grace are. I was responding to the last portion of what the other posted posited. I should have highlighted it.Ok, so you are not opposed to the Doctrines of Grace. I stand corrected. My apologies.
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