Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

Harry3142 · Mar 21, 2013

Athanasias-

Circa 1970 a neighbor of my wife and I 'sicced' her SDA minister on us. From his words and attitude it became immediately apparent that his message was, "Obey me or perish!" But when he realized that I refused to accept the creation stories of Genesis 1&2 as literal 6-day events, he promptly left.

There are denominations and sects in the radical area of Christianity whose sole desire is to have their heirarchies acquire absolute power over every aspect of their members' lives. Insofar as I am concerned, the SDA's are one of those sects.

S.ilvio · Mar 21, 2013

progmonk said:
It's St Paul's position as well; Eph 6:20

St. Paul had a position on Communism..?

Rhamiel · Mar 21, 2013

Rick Otto said:
He was comparing a minor incident in terms of both quality & quantity to a major one.
Professing Christians killing professing Christians is the same as professing Christians killing alleged witches?
C'mon.

well I am sure it seemed like a "major incident" to the people getting killed for witchcraft

MoreCoffee · Mar 21, 2013

Rick Otto said:
He was comparing a minor incident in terms of both quality & quantity to a major one.
Professing Christians killing professing Christians is the same as professing Christians killing alleged witches?
C'mon.

What makes you think that 'witches' were not christians? What makes you think that 'witches' did not profess to be christians?

VolRaider · Mar 22, 2013

Rick Otto said:
He was comparing a minor incident in terms of both quality & quantity to a major one.
Professing Christians killing professing Christians is the same as professing Christians killing alleged witches?
C'mon.

The people killed during that time were not real witches. Everybody living in that area HAD to be a professing Puritan. Heck, they ran everybody else out of there! The whole "witch" thing was a figament of a couple of kids' imagination.

Rick Otto · Mar 22, 2013

Point is, it wasn't a legit comparison in terms of quantity OR quality.
I have no delusions about Protestant innocence and I don't point to Catholic crimes to marginalize Protestant crimes.Both are guilty of substituting "churchianity" for Christianity.

Keachian · Mar 22, 2013

S.ilvio said:
St. Paul had a position on Communism..?

Not necessarily but his views on his own ministry and how enslaved believers should act seem to be at odds with Liberation Theology as I understand it.

x141 · Mar 22, 2013

Harry3142 said:
Athanasias-

Circa 1970 a neighbor of my wife and I 'sicced' her SDA minister on us. From his words and attitude it became immediately apparent that his message was, "Obey me or perish!" But when he realized that I refused to accept the creation stories of Genesis 1&2 as literal 6-day events, he promptly left.

There are denominations and sects in the radical area of Christianity whose sole desire is to have their heirarchies acquire absolute power over every aspect of their members' lives. Insofar as I am concerned, the SDA's are one of those sects.

All these things are summed up in the kingdom of darkness which is seeded by everything we see, hear taste touch and smell, because we have had five husbands (being spoken to a woman who was dual) which have given us a husband that is not our own ... our/the city is taken by a lie.

By the blessing of the upright (which uprightness flows from God as a river from within), the city is exalted: but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked (or those with no understanding).

These things are not so much about what is happening outside of us but rather what is happening in us. To the one whose soul is poured out, ism's matter not, but are a darkness that is a light.

MoreCoffee · Mar 22, 2013

Rick Otto said:
Point is, it wasn't a legit comparison in terms of quantity OR quality.

But it is a fair comparison both in quantity over any given period of time and in quality - after all, burning a 'witch' is not different from burning a 'heretic' is it?

I have no delusions about Protestant innocence and I don't point to Catholic crimes to marginalize Protestant crimes. Both are guilty of substituting "churchianity" for Christianity.

What on earth is 'churchianity' other than a polemic insult to hurl at people whose faith tradition one does not like?

MoreCoffee · Mar 22, 2013

progmonk said:
Not necessarily but his views on his own ministry and how enslaved believers should act seem to be at odds with Liberation Theology as I understand it.

Isn't liberation theology about casting off societal and institutional oppression?

Liberation theology , is a political movement in Catholic theology which interprets the teachings of Jesus Christ in relation to a liberation from unjust economic, political, or social conditions. It has been described by proponents as "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor", and by detractors as Christianized Marxism. -- Wikipedia

Seems the meaning is like beauty - in the eye of the beholder.

Keachian · Mar 22, 2013

MoreCoffee said:
Isn't liberation theology about casting off societal and institutional oppression?

Liberation theology , is a political movement in Catholic theology which interprets the teachings of Jesus Christ in relation to a liberation from unjust economic, political, or social conditions. It has been described by proponents as "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor", and by detractors as Christianized Marxism. -- Wikipedia
Seems the meaning is like beauty - in the eye of the beholder.

Yes, I'm also mainly going off that definition and I just don't see it lining up with martyrdom theology in general which has at its core the idea that though we may be being persecuted unjustly we have the privilege of suffering for Christ's namesake

MoreCoffee · Mar 22, 2013

progmonk said:
Yes, I'm also mainly going off that definition and I just don't see it lining up with martyrdom theology in general which has at its core the idea that though we may be being persecuted unjustly we have the privilege of suffering for Christ's namesake

Hmm, is everyone called to martyrdom?

Texan40 · Mar 22, 2013

I don't think everyone is called to die for Christ. The overwhelming message of the beatitudes is how to live well. Liberation theology attempts to change biblical truths to fit within the construct of the modern theory of "social injustice." Christ is my hope and salvation not some movement or political party.

Noxot · Mar 22, 2013

MoreCoffee said:
Hmm, is everyone called to martyrdom?

yes sir, if we do not die then we are not going to be resurrected.

MoreCoffee · Mar 22, 2013

Noxot said:
yes sir, if we do not die then we are not going to be resurrected.

I see what you mean.

I was, however, referring to literal martyrdom.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 22, 2013

Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

We need a thread on "Why are RCs so paranoid of SDAs and Protetants"

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Yab Yum · Mar 22, 2013

I don't think anyone needs to be alarmed about the Jesuits these days. You're more likely to be strummed at with an acoustic guitar than burned at the stake. They've gone native.

Rhamiel · Mar 22, 2013

VolRaider said:
The people killed during that time were not real witches. Everybody living in that area HAD to be a professing Puritan. Heck, they ran everybody else out of there! The whole "witch" thing was a figament of a couple of kids' imagination.

some of them might have been witches, or crazy people
there are reports of women gladly saying that they had sex with the devil in the form of a giant black cat and put curses on neighbors and stuff, laughing on the way to the gallows

and what area are you talking about, do you think this only happened in Salem? This happened through out Europe and America

Rick Otto said:
Point is, it wasn't a legit comparison in terms of quantity OR quality.
I have no delusions about Protestant innocence and I don't point to Catholic crimes to marginalize Protestant crimes.Both are guilty of substituting "churchianity" for Christianity.

from between the 1400's and the 1700's somewhere between 35,18463,850 were killed for being witches in the Americas and Europe
now this estimate is counting Catholic and Protestant countries
but still, this is a huge number, you can not just write it off

Rick Otto · Mar 22, 2013

Yab Yum said:
I don't think anyone needs to be alarmed about the Jesuits these days. You're more likely to be strummed at with an acoustic guitar than burned at the stake. They've gone native.

That ain't what their secret oath says.

Rick Otto · Mar 22, 2013

Rhamiel said:
some of them might have been witches, or crazy people
there are reports of women gladly saying that they had sex with the devil in the form of a giant black cat and put curses on neighbors and stuff, laughing on the way to the gallows

and what area are you talking about, do you think this only happened in Salem? This happened through out Europe and America

from between the 1400's and the 1700's somewhere between 35,18463,850 were killed for being witches in the Americas and Europe
now this estimate is counting Catholic and Protestant countries
but still, this is a huge number, you can not just write it off

I can't put it all on Protestants either.
I heard a theory that some ergot rye mold had gotten into their crops.
It is a source of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD). That could make you think someone cast a spell on you.

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