Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

MoreCoffee · Jul 24, 2014

mmksparbud said:
LOL---just be careful--remember the closet SDA's in Catholic seminaries--and if there are closet SDA priests--you could end up with a closet SDA Pope!!---after all---wasn't there a female Pope Joan that you all have tried to deny ever happened????!! hhhmmmm?

Only in the crazy fantasy land of conspiracy mania

Mama Kidogo · Jul 24, 2014

MoreCoffee said:
Only in the crazy fantasy land of conspiracy mania

Beam me up Scotty!

Rhamiel · Jul 24, 2014

as Mama Kidogo said, the authority of the Pope, in judicial matters, ends when he is no longer Pope
then the next Pope has that authority

this is not a matter of "faith and morals", where infallibility MAY be an issue
this is judicial or prudential judgment, something that has never been protected by infallibility, even though the Pope does have absolute authority in this issue, there is no guarantee that his actions will be good in these types things

Shiny Gospel Shoes · Jul 24, 2014

BobRyan said:
If whatever the Pope says "in all the fulness of his apostolic power" is really nothing more than evil politics playing itself out - even in extreme examples -- like the treatment of an entire order of priests - and declaring them to be morally bankrupt, in doctrinal error, a threat to christianity, bringing Christians to massacre each other ... etc -- then what point is there to having a Pope at all??

in Christ,

Bob

More's to the point, how would anyone know when it wasn't 'politics playing itself out' whenever such a statement is made? What is their standard of Judgment? Will it yet be the Scripture? or 'time will tell'?

Rick Otto · Jul 25, 2014

Mama Kidogo said:
All of his apostolic power last about as long as he's in power. That power is past to the next Pope. Now why would this bother you? Let's say a pope makes a big mistake (that should not be hard for you), should there not be something in place where they don't have to live with it forever? Seems such is built in. So is it just sour grape that you noticed this?
Taking certain Catholic words and phrases as literal in the English meaning can lead you to some crazy ideas. Example; The Immaculate Conception of Mary. An average Joe speaking English could easily assume this means Mary's parents had no intercourse to produce Mary. But that's not the meaning.
Another example Infallible. If we take that too literal it means the Pope is God.
So as you present yourself as well steeped in Catholic writings, could you tell me what the Catholic Church says it means? Is it the man or the office? Does it mean it's impossible to be inaccurate? Or does it simply mean it's the law until later revised? Or something altogether different.
Does the Catholic church teach that a pope is sinless? Does a Pope confess?
Just some questions you might ask yourself and investigate.

Somewhat disturbing how hard one must try not to see the obvious and grasp at vagueness and ambiguity in defense.

Rick Otto · Jul 25, 2014

Rhamiel said:
as Mama Kidogo said, the authority of the Pope, in judicial matters, ends when he is no longer Pope
then the next Pope has that authority

this is not a matter of "faith and morals", where infallibility MAY be an issue
this is judicial or prudential judgment, something that has never been protected by infallibility, even though the Pope does have absolute authority in this issue, there is no guarantee that his actions will be good in these types things

Doesn't have to be protected to be judiciously prudent.

But claims of it being a mistake repeated by three popes in succession either validates the suppression of the Jesuits, or reveals the consistent inadequacy of the papacy over three successive administrations

That something smells rotten impatiently undeniable.

Rick Otto · Jul 25, 2014

MoreCoffee said:
Only in the crazy fantasy land of conspiracy mania

How comfortable it must be, taking cheap shots. It relieves the burden of adult conversation.

Targaryen · Jul 25, 2014

Rick Otto said:
How comfortable it must be, taking cheap shots. It relieves the burden of adult conversation.

Let us know when you want to have one then rather then deal in childish conspiracy theories that, I can guarantee, is a figment of some 19th century preacher's imagination.

Cause so far all I'm seeing you doing in your latest posts is going over the same thing that's been dismissed again and again.

MoreCoffee · Jul 25, 2014

Rick Otto said:
How comfortable it must be, taking cheap shots. It relieves the burden of adult conversation.

When next I see an adult conversation in one of your posts I'll return the favour

BobRyan · Jul 25, 2014

Lollerskates said:
I just don't get singling out SDAs, and Ellen White on these forums. Can someone point me to some literature to decide for myself (before I do it on my own)?

There is a thread on this same GT forum recently started on the subject of "Great Controversy" and "Desire of Ages" - both are pretty easy to read - but they are large books - free online - links listed at that thread.

That will explain why they get so much opposition.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7833904/#post66043715

Best way to read "Great Controversy" is - the last chapter first and keep going to the previous chapter.

Best way to read "Desire of Ages" is first chapter first.

in Christ,

Bob

MoreCoffee · Jul 25, 2014

Seventh Day Adventism is not the only religious movement to have conspiracy theories about the Society of Jesus; it seems to be a favourite pastime with some groups (SDA included).

squint · Jul 25, 2014

MoreCoffee said:
Conspiracy theories are a favoured pastime among the slightly less than sane too.

and the RCC is apolitical

MoreCoffee · Jul 25, 2014

squint said:
and the RCC is apolitical

Pardon me, I must return to my Jesuit plotting

Targaryen · Jul 25, 2014

MoreCoffee said:
Pardon me, I must return to my Jesuit plotting

Let me know how that goes..

squint · Jul 25, 2014

MoreCoffee said:
Pardon me, I must return to my Jesuit plotting

Now you know how passionate some people are about politics. When a religious organization steps into that arena then there is double the fun.

Personally I might be more concerned about Mormonism and politics here in the U.S. but that's just me. Not that I don't think Mormon politicians are any less corrupt than the others...

Rick Otto · Jul 25, 2014

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
So...maybe you ought to look into that Rick

So, maybe I did when I looked into the post.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 25, 2014

squint said:
and the RCC is apolitical

Politicians, can't live with 'em, can't live w/o 'em.

What goes around, comes around

John 19:12 Out of this Pilate sought to release Him.
But the Judeans cried out saying "if ever this one thou should be releasing, not thou are friend Caesar!
Every one the one making themself a king making is against Caesar.
15 Those yet cry-out "take-away! take-away! crucify! Him".
Pilate Is saying to them "the King of ye I shall be crucifying?".
Answered the Chief-priests "not we are having a King except Caesar"

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover................

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins.
For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger,.......-whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.

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MoreCoffee · Jul 25, 2014

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
Let me know how that goes..

The first fruit has yielded; I finished my box of Malteasers!

MoreCoffee · Jul 25, 2014

Rick Otto said:
Willfull, blind stupidity is considered sane by many accident theorists.

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
So...maybe you ought to look into that Rick

Wisdom

Lollerskates · Jul 25, 2014

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
Still childish I see.

You're cut against my viewpoint doesn't really bother me much either. I left the schoolyard a long time ago.

It was quite to the point, and terse (something most all children never exhibit.)

I, as an adult, would like to know your answer.

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