Why are Paul's Traditions not followed?

[Smileyill]

Many of Paul's "traditions" were meant to address a specific problem or issue, at a specific time, in a specific place, dealing with a specific people. Also, many were metaphorical in nature.

explain.

 

[dayhiker]

Jesus said that the Pharisees and Sadducees were so caught up in following the letter of the traditions and the law that they were lost to or forgot the heart or meaning of the matter (Mk. 7:6). Paul teaches in Rom. 14 that many things come up for debate among Christians but that we should not be judgemental when ones traditions do not match our own. The important thing is one's individual relationship with God, not whether he holds to this set of traditions or that. Granted, Paul does caution us not to do things that will be a stumblingblock to others, which I would take to mean that if I choose to visit a church that observes the practice of men wearing hats during the service, I would wear one also, even though to me personally, not wearing one is not a sin.

I think Paul would be the last one to judge us for not following every letter of his guidelines, as long as our hearts are in correct relationship with God.

Adoniram,
I think you have the idea of how to view these specific quotes. They aren't thou shall or thou shall not. They are what worked in Paul's day in those specific churches. If something else workes, then that would have been the advice.

dayhiker

 

[GenemZ]

Adoniram,
I think you have the idea of how to view these specific quotes. They aren't thou shall or thou shall not. They are what worked in Paul's day in those specific churches. If something else workes, then that would have been the advice.

dayhiker

Paul set an example of how traditions were to be raised up in the church by those in authority. Jesus gave this authority to those who are the head over the church.

Matthew 18:18-19 (New International Version)​

"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.​

"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven."​

Jesus was transferring what was the right of the Pharisees who were said to, "sit in the seat of Moses", to the next generation of spiritual leaders, who were to be in the Church. In Judaism this function is called, "Halachah."

http://www.jewfaq.org/halakhah.htm​

Certain denominations us this passage "bind and loosen" to say it refers to binding and loosing demons. They do not understand what Jesus spoke of to his disciples. It was in reference to creating rules and regulation (traditions and customs) for the Christian community on issues not spoken of directly by Scripture.

Paul had his set of traditions for his present day. Today, certain things have drastically changed. Hallachah for the Jews have changed, as well. On the Sabbath one can not turn on an electric stove. Drive a car. Or, use a light switch in some cases. No such customs were conceivable ten centuries ago. Hallachah is for the present day one lives in. It changes.

Grace and peace, GeneZ​

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[Smileyill]

Since starting this thread, I've had a few insights on some of these.

I won't shorten any more than I already have , but I'll provide categories.

church assembly

Men must have their heads uncovered, and women covered, while praying or prophesying 1 Cor 11:4-15

All the gifts should be in the Church 1 Cor 14 (including Tongues and interpretation, which I rarely see)

When assemblying, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. 1 Cor 14:26 (not one or two in the assembly, but each one)

Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment 1 Cor 14:29

If a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent 1 Cor 14:30

For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted 1 Cor 14:31

B/c of the short services today, 1 man preaching is ok, IMO. Although, multiple teachers on different days is still appropriate. But this makes 1 Cor. 14:29 even more important. "Let 2 or 3 prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment."

Women are to keep silent and ask their husbands 1 Cor 14:34-5, 1 Tim 2:12

leader requirements

There must be factions so those approved become apparent 1 Cor 11:19

If any one thinks he is a prophet or spiritual let him recognize these 1 Cor 14:37

Overseer (Bishop) must have but 1 wife and be, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not adidcted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free form the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity. 1 Tim 3:2-4

This doesn't preclude celibate elders.

Not a new convert 1 Tim 3:6

Good reputation with those outside the Church 1 Tim 3:7

Deacons likewise 1 Tim 3:8

Elders are worthy of their wages 1 4:Tim 17-18

2-3 witnesses required against an Elder 1 Tim 4:19

Money

On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come 1 Cor 16:1-2 (i.e. no tithing, just the principal)

They sold their possessions as anyone might have need Ac 2:45

Perhaps tithing via charity is appropriate instead of tithing to the church.

Don't sue other Christians 1 Cor 6:6-7

Teaching

Know the sacred writings from childhood which are able to give you wisdom which leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus 2 Tim 3:15-16

Scripture study alone, should reveal enough for salvation.

Men will forbid marriage and abstaining from foods in the later times 1 Tim 4:3 (priests celibate and lent) (some say celibate to avoid temptation and lent as not required)

Provide for your own household 1 Tim 5:8 (i.e. don't rely on Gov.)

[I paraphrased throughout]

 

[Smileyill]

I forgot to mention. Pail set a precedent for traditions. Yes. But, not all his traditions would apply today. For, Paul also mentions in his writings that certain spiritual gifts which he gave protocol for, would cease to be operational. I.e., tongues and prophecy.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

Where? I'm sorry I missed this before.

 

[GenemZ]

Where? I'm sorry I missed this before.

1 Corinthians 13:8-10 (New International Version)
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears."
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Paul provided traditions concerning these gifts. These gifts were temporary, only for the formative years of the Church. So? The traditions concerning these issues do not apply today. Yet, the examples Paul set by giving traditions to follow, reveal a pattern for Church leadership today to follow concerning Church protocol.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[Smileyill]

1 Corinthians 13:8-10 (New International Version)​

"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears."​

Paul provided traditions concerning these gifts. These gifts were temporary, only for the formative years of the Church. So? The traditions concerning these issues do not apply today. Yet, the examples Paul set by giving traditions to follow, reveal a pattern for Church leadership today to follow concerning Church protocol.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

Thank you for the heads up. I read 4-5 sources and this appears the most reasonable.

http://http://www.forananswer.org/1Cor/1Cor13_8.htm

In my view, wherever there is an immature church assembly, tongues etc. will be manifest. This would explain why so many accounts occur in the mission field, yet not in most modern churches.

In other words, the gifts cease where they're not needed.

 

[catlover]

heh, funny, I do. Life is great btw.
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Really? Do you cut your hand off if it causes you to sin, or pluck your eye out when it causes you to sin?

 

[Smileyill]

heh, funny, I do. Life is great btw.
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Really? Do you cut your hand off if it causes you to sin, or pluck your eye out when it causes you to sin?

I lack faith there, my friend Also, that's not a tradition.