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As I said before, it takes knowing something about Conservatism, it origins, principles, and meaning...not just what people say is conservative or who on the political scene is described in the media as "a Conservative"...if, that is, any of us are going to participate effectively in the discussion as laid out in the original post.Right the Christian fundamentals of the religious right are based on politics.
No, socialism is about wealth distribution... You still have freedom... And this is clearly more moral and what Jesus taught in the bible. Wealth distribution is a lot better than your taxes going towards shady stuff. And taxes have always existed, it may as well be used towards good things. It is is moral and more of what Jesus taught about. I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of socialism was incorporated when Jesus sets up his kingdom on earth.Naaa. The freedom of the individual human being is a fundamental moral principle, and that is the direct opposite of Socialism.
No, socialism is about wealth distribution... You still have freedom...
Those who complain against it may do because of greed reasons. We can still willfully donate to charity while having a system where our taxes can benefit the poor at the same time. I would say it is selfless, because you think about the common good, and loving your neighbours, rather than just the individualistic aspect and focusing on the self. Of course the system is not perfect and there can be corruption by the government but the same can be said for capitalism as well, so the implementation doesn't always work. But the principle of the system is moral and definitely in line with what Jesus taught.I hope very much that you are not trying to say that Socialism is somehow selfless? Good grief!
I hope very much that you are not trying to say that Socialism is somehow selfless? Good grief!
I hope very much that you are not trying to say that Socialism is somehow selfless? Good grief!
Year after year, it's statistically shown that conservatives give far more to charity than liberals do, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.That is oftentimes a sticking point. Should a Christian support the social goals of the political left and be forced to accept their anti Christian view of morality, or should a Christian accept the social morality of the right and be forced to accept their anti Christian view of charity?
You can do all of that in a free society as well.Those who complain against it may do because of greed reasons. We can still willfully donate to charity while having a system where our taxes can benefit the poor at the same time.
In capitalism there is also "forceful" aspects... Government rule and taxes have been a reality since the beginning. And the money gets overspent on shady things. I would rather my taxes be used on useful stuff and that helps other people rather than help the rich. It is only forceful if you see it that way... If you see it as giving back to the common good, and if you have the attitude of not being greedy but being fine with distributing some of your wealth to not only benefit you but benefit those who are poorer than you, then it doesn't feel forced at all and you would be fine with it. It's better to work towards benefiting our neighbours rather than just ourselves or the rich and it's better to have a balance rather than an imbalance that benefits rich corporations rather than the poor. Socialism exists in the US as well. Only the money does not go towards social programs but more towards corporations and military spending. Jesus would rather money go back to people than to wars.Socialism is about a forceful redistribution of wealth, according to its own standards of justice. That's quite a bit different from what you wrote here. An it is the opposite of freedom. You don't care for Capitalism, which is a derogatory Socialist term for free market economics, but that IS based upon individual freedom, the opposite of Socialism and classism.
Hi DM25, the right is far more Pro-Life to be sure, but if they are truly anti-LGBTQ, it's news to me (along with an incredibly large number of LGBTQ conservatives, some of whom are my family members and friends).I never understood this because what the right stands for is not even biblical. Two of the things that are absolutely biblical and correct from the right/conservatism are : 1. Anti-LGBT and 2. Pro-Life. And I agree with this, along with general traditional family values and biblical morality. But everything else in the right wing you can argue is completely against Christianity and what Jesus taught. Everything in the right seems to be based on political identity and culture, not Jesus Christ. So I don't understand why right wing politics caters to Christian evangelicals so much.
In capitalism there is also "forceful" aspects... Government rule and taxes have been a reality since the beginning.
And far more liberal politicians served in the military. Another oxymoron.Year after year, it's statistically shown that conservatives give far more to charity than liberals do, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Canada is more "socialist" than the U.S., and I feel a lot more free here than I would if I lived in the U.S. It feels nice if something happens to me and if I need to go to the hospital, under all the student loans I have, I will not have to worry about hospital bills like you do in the U.S. Plus you have the freedom from danger and you feel safer and you don't have to worry about a mass shooting. Many countries have more freedom than the U.S.You can do all of that in a free society as well.
Neither side can claim Jesus as He represents the Kingdom and not the governance of man. Hand's off. Man's world and the Kingdom are opposing ideologies.What is it that you believe they do that is ~not~ based on "political identity and culture", but rather, on Jesus Christ?
Socialism leads to Dictatorship which leads to communism and ultimatelyYes that is true.
I'm seeing a common theme here from everyone... but what's so bad about socialism? I don't consider myself left wing (I'm not anything, just a believer) but I am not against socialism. It's not a concept that is unbiblical. In fact Jesus always taught about giving to the poor. Giving back to the poor, even with the government as an intermediary, is a lot better than using tax money to give to the rich (corporations) or for war... It seems like anti-socialism is an American thing, not a Christian thing.
No, because individual liberties include the right to basic health care or basic shelter for people who can't pay for it. And with a completely capitalist society this is impossible. So individual liberties are protected when you have some socialism. As for the market, it can get out of control and cause a gap in the rich and the poor and the poor people lose if you completely leave it up to the market.Yes, but the market and individual liberties are not taken over by the State.
Nah that's flawed. It would be like saying capitalism leads to fascism, or libertarianism leads to statism which leads to dictatorship and ultimately no freedom... You can argue the same thing on either side. No system is perfect. But what socialism is supposed to be, and the principles of it, are indeed moral and help people. Implementation is a different story. But capitalist systems are perfect either.Socialism leads to Dictatorship which leads to communism and ultimately
NO FREEDOM.
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