If science has to take a hike for you, then you are definitely threatened by it. I can't imagine what it must be like having to lie to myself all the time.
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Science doesn't threaten me in the least.
In fact, I'm fond of telling science it can take a hike.
'When reality contradicts my beliefs, reality is wrong.'
How did we get our moon? ex nihilo or [pick one of six different scientific answers]?
I say ex nihilo -- what say you?
I'm not interested in a link.The idea the moon was created out of nothing, is in fact incorrect. Here is a link to better help you out. It's kind of old, but helps steer you in the right direction. Assalamu'alaikum
Where did the Moon come from? - physicsworld.com
... and then I get your 'expanded knowledge as God intended' in the form of a link to physicsworld?Science to me is a way of expanding my knowledge as God intended,
The idea the moon was created out of nothing, is in fact incorrect. Here is a link to better help you out. It's kind of old, but helps steer you in the right direction. Assalamu'alaikum
Where did the Moon come from? - physicsworld.com
'When reality contradicts my beliefs, reality is wrong.'
I'm guessing this was said in jest, but I'm curious what if reality pointed you to God-What would you do with that reality?
I would have no choice but to accept it, but the actual implications of that reality would depend on which god it is.
I'm not interested in a link.
I'm asking you how we got our moon.
If you were to ask me, I could give you how, when, where, who, how long it took, and who the eyewitness were -- naming some of them by name.
So the God of Christianity. What are the implications?
You have listed plenty of reasons for believing in God, but everything youve listed are reasons based upon faith; not proof. We have absolutely proof that the land directly below the US borders is Mexico.Hi Ken,
yes the bible says that, but it also says we can know God because Jesus has shown us God, that when He walked the earth he was God walking among us. We can know Jesus through the testimony of the Apostles, the eyewitness evidence.
Luke was a doctor who wrote:
1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
I was making the point that the only thing these historical finds prove is that many of the places mentioned in the bible do indeed exist! It does not prove any miracles were preformed there, or that any of the stuff mentioned in the bible actually happened.Good point: but I was drawing on it as an example of the sort of historical finds that back up the historical credibility of the bible as a reliable source document.
I don't think anybody is actually threatened by ancient beliefs systems; we just dont believe them.Secular historians are not threatened by ancient belief systems as they investigate historical documents, they just take them into account, whether we are talking about a Roman's view of the invincibility of Rome, or whatever.
But have you got first hand evidence of it, or do you only believe it because of many 'sources'? When I explain to atheists that I believe in God because His Son died for me and rose again, and most of the eyewitnesses of that were tortured to death for stating what they saw, I encounter jeering and scepticism and hear that they would only believe it if they saw it themselves. The historical documents we refer to as 'the bible' are ruled out of court. Only personal experience of the evidence themselves would be ruled in.You have listed plenty of reasons for believing in God, but everything you’ve listed are reasons based upon faith; not proof. We have absolutely proof that the land directly below the US borders is Mexico.
The problem is when science tries to play God, they end up with little more then a Frankenstein type of monster. The real crime is not to make the monster, the real crime is to try to avoid responsibility for having created the monster. This is where evolution comes it. It is an attempt to try to avoid dealing with the issue that man is in a fallen condition. Creationism says let us repent and get it right. Evolution says let us continue in our fallen estate.And when someone becomes so filled with hubris that they claim to be able to defy and DENY reality, they have reached the point of total narcissism where they believe that THEY ARE GOD.
The problem is when science tries to play God, they end up with little more then a Frankenstein type of monster. The real crime is not to make the monster, the real crime is to try to avoid responsibility for having created the monster. This is where evolution comes it. It is an attempt to try to avoid dealing with the issue that man is in a fallen condition. Creationism says let us repent and get it right. Evolution says let us continue in our fallen estate.
pbministries.org/Newsletter/1999/Aug/newton_08.htm]Man in His Fallen Estate John Newton (1725 - 1807)
Yes, we are dealing with a very small part of the theory. The part that has to do with animals eating animals. So you have at least 4 billion years of evolution that has nothing to do with the fallen condition of man. It is only the last 250 million years that we are concerned with. God intended Creation to be herbivorous not carnivorous.Evolution is a theory that allows biologists to make sense of the facts found in biology.
If I told you I have a dog at home named Brian would you believe me? Supposed I told you my dog Brian stood upright like a human, spoke perfect English, had a college degree and was in the process of writing a book! Now would you believe me? Extraordinary claims require an extraordinary amount of evidence. To claim the land below the US borders is called Mexico is not an extraordinary claim; to claim someone regularly preformed miracles and acts that defy the laws of nature .. now THAT is an extraordinary claim.But have you got first hand evidence of it, or do you only believe it because of many 'sources'?
The Peoples temple of Jonestown, The Branch Divisions, Heavens Gate, and a host of other cults come to mind when speaking of people willing to die for their beliefs. Religious martyrs are a dime a dozen; thats probably why nobody takes them seriously anymore; its been done already and will be done over and over and over again.When I explain to atheists that I believe in God because His Son died for me and rose again, and most of the eyewitnesses of that were tortured to death for stating what they saw, I encounter jeering and scepticism and hear that they would only believe it if they saw it themselves.
It's Branch Davidians.The Branch Divisions,
The problem is when science tries to play God, they end up with little more then a Frankenstein type of monster. The real crime is not to make the monster, the real crime is to try to avoid responsibility for having created the monster. This is where evolution comes it. It is an attempt to try to avoid dealing with the issue that man is in a fallen condition. Creationism says let us repent and get it right. Evolution says let us continue in our fallen estate.
pbministries.org/Newsletter/1999/Aug/newton_08.htm]Man in His Fallen Estate John Newton (1725 - 1807)
The problem is when science tries to play God, they end up with little more then a Frankenstein type of monster. The real crime is not to make the monster, the real crime is to try to avoid responsibility for having created the monster. This is where evolution comes it. It is an attempt to try to avoid dealing with the issue that man is in a fallen condition. Creationism says let us repent and get it right. Evolution says let us continue in our fallen estate.
pbministries.org/Newsletter/1999/Aug/newton_08.htm]Man in His Fallen Estate John Newton (1725 - 1807)
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