Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?

[JacksBratt]

Yeah, your not reading the Parable of the Talents correctly. For in order for your interpretation to work, you have to ignore the following verses that is attached to the Parable of the Talents.

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

"For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." (Matthew 25:29).


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The parable is actually meant to teach us another lesson. That is:

If you don't forgive others, you cannot be forgiven.

It is not a parable on the debt of sinners. I just used it to show that the first debtor represents us, with an unpayable debt. While the king is God and He forgives us this debt.
Then, the forgiven debtor refuses to forgive a brother who owed him an actual forgivable debt.

Thanks for pointing out the meaning of the parable.

We all need to understand that we are expected to forgive, as we have been forgiven.

 

[JacksBratt]

I am human. I am weak

Aren't we all?

 

[JacksBratt]

Actually, no. There are 1,050 + Commands in the New Testament and not just the greatest two.

In fact, believing on Jesus is a Commandment (See 1 John 3:23).


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There are a lot of "laws" but ten commandments. Then, Jesus gave us two simple commands.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.

Tell me, is there any of the 1,050 "commands" that you speak of that, if broken, would not break one of these two?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That's not what 1 Corinthians or John 6 say.

Yes,
it is,
and in context fully with YHWH'S PLAN and PURPOSE in Y'SHUA
and all Scripture,
though opposed to many traditions of men.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We don't know what the others owned or didn't own.

What they did with it all though,
they said in Scripture clearly.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Here you confuse the covenants of God with sin and apostasy. Once saved, always saved, is demonstrably false, because even St. Paul feared he would fall away, and many people baptized into Christianity leave. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is even characterized as unforgivable.

Gods covenants are irrevocable, by God, because God is a being of perfect love, and also does not change, but is immutable. But we humans have evil in us and can change so as to abandon these covenants, which, for example, the Northern Tribes of Israel did.

But as long as we do not blaspheme the holy spirit, the door is open for us to repent and be forgiven. Indeed the Christian life is one of repentance; this life was given to us for repentance.

But God does not say that we can break them either.

God's Word says nothing in heaven or on earth. Not principalities, nor demons can remove us from Christ's right hand because the Father who is above ALL has given us to Christ.

Now I'm sure you'll agree that we are something on the earth. According to God's Word we cannot break Covenant with Him and His gifts to us are irrevocable.

So how is that true?

 

[Hank77]

What they did with it all though,
they said in Scripture clearly.

Please quote the scripture you are referring to.
You know Peter owned a fishing boat and a house which he did not sell.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Please quote the scripture you are referring to.
You know Peter owned a fishing boat and a house which he did not sell.

Can you list the scripture for that?

 

[Goatee]

He may have paid for our sins but it doesn't mean we can live without a care!!!

 

[JacksBratt]

He may have paid for our sins but it doesn't mean we can live without a care!!!

Absolutely. We must care.

We are given an intelligent mind, we are responsible for our choices. We make decisions and have free will to do so.

We do not become robotic followers of Christ when we have salvation.

No, we must make a conscious effort every hour of every day to be more like Christ and make, not only moral and ethical choices, for these are mans guides, but to make righteous choices that follow Christ's guide and example.

No man will be tempted beyond their ability to cope with each temptation. God will always provide a way around it or the strength to resist it.

We cannot do this on our own accord. We must rely on the strength of Christ and the Holy Spirit in our daily struggles.

 

[Hank77]

Can you list the scripture for that?

Luk 5:3 and having entered into one of the boats, that was Simon's, he asked him to put back a little from the land, and having sat down, was teaching the multitudes out of the boat.
Luk 5:10 and in like manner also James and John, sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon; and Jesus said unto Simon, `Fear not, henceforth thou shalt be catching men;'
Luk 5:11 and they, having brought the boats upon the land, having left all, did follow him.

Here I was incorrect in saying it was Peter (and Andrew) who left their boat with their father. It was James and John was did this.

Mar 1:19 And having gone on thence a little, he saw James of Zebedee, and John his brother, and they were in the boat refitting the nets,
Mar 1:20 and immediately he called them, and, having left their father Zebedee in the boat with the hired servants, they went away after him.

Peter's house.
Mat 8:14 And Jesus having come into the house of Peter, saw his mother-in-law laid, and fevered,
Mar 1:29 And immediately, having come forth out of the synagogue, they went to the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John,
Mar 1:30 and the mother-in-law of Simon was lying fevered, and immediately they tell him about her,

 

[JacksBratt]

Here you confuse the covenants of God with sin and apostasy. Once saved, always saved, is demonstrably false,

Here, you state that "once saved, always saved" is demonstrably false. You state this due to Paul's fear of falling away.

Question. If there is nothing earthly possible in my human power, that I can do to achieve salvation, how can there be anything possible for me to do that I can lose it?

I am fearful of falling away. Getting off track, backsliding. I am fearful of my children do so. I am fearful of any brother in Christ doing the same. It does not mean that I am worried about their salvation. It is because I am considered about their life here.

You know, "choose to sin, choose to suffer". Not to mention the stumbling block we become if we do things that are known to be unchristian.

Think of what Paul's testimony and all his writings and preaching would have been worth, had he fallen away.

The millions of people that would dismiss his inspired teaching and writings as false.

Paul was not worried about his salvation.

 

[W2L]

Here ya go:

https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands

The only commands that I did not see on their list is the following:

• Believe & confess that Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh (John 8:24 cf. John 8:57, 58, 59) (1 John 4:3).

• Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15)

• Visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction (James 1:27).

• Feed and clothe the poor, welcome the stranger, visit the sick, and those in prison (Matthew 25:35, 36).

• "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor" (Matthew 19:21)

• Thank God without ceasing. (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

• Receive the word of God not as the words of men, but as the very words of God (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

• Give to the poor needy brother; Especially if you wish them well (James 2:15)

• Pray the Lord's prayer (As an outline) (Matthew 6:9-13)

• Pray without ceasing (1 Thessalonians 5:17)

• Bear with them that preach another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4)

• Reprove the unfruitful works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11)

• Correct and train others in the Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16).

• Walk in the Spirit: This will result in the 9 fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5)

• How to love according to 1 Corinthians 13.

• Keep the words of the prophecy of Revelation (Revelation 1:3).

• Live by speaking the Word of God (Which is our daily bread) (Matthew 4:4)

• Study to show yourself approved unto God (2 Timothy 2:15)

• Put on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:11-17)

• Be ye Holy as God is Holy (1 Peter 1:16)

• Do not add or take away from God's Word (Revelation 22:18, 19)

• If we as believers sin, we are to confess our sins (1 John 2:1) (1 John 1:9)

• Do all things thru Christ (Philippians 4:13)

Granted, I am sure there are more.

Side Note:

Oh, and Paul said that what he had written should be regarded as the Lord's Commandments (1 Corinthians 14:37).

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"Be sober" is counted 5 times. That's one command not five

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Question. If there is nothing earthly possible in my human power, that I can do to achieve salvation, how can there be anything possible for me to do that I can lose it?

To be saved you must be willing and make the choice.
To be unsaved you must be willing and make the choice.
Your choice each time, to be saved or to trample underfoot the blood of the SAVIOR who saved you,thus being again unsaved and no more with the chance to repent.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Be sober" is counted 5 times. That's one command not five

COOL! Yes!

And be "CAREFREE" JOYOUS WITH ABANDON !
at the same time. Not unsober. Not unresponsible.
But rolling all of our care (every bit) onto HIS SHOULDERS,
as HE CARES FOR US.
We actively follow like active ALIVE SHEEP following the SHEPHERD,
and NOT worrying about the wolves, false prophets, false teachers, the traps the devil lays every day,
the economy, health, or even FOOD DAILY.
The gentiles (pagans) worry about such things,
but YHWH ELOHIM(GOD) knows all that we have need of
and HE has already said clearly that
HE made provision for all of our needs
perfectly and divinely (by HIS DOING).

 

[ScottA]

The church never had justification by faith until Martin Luther and the reformation. And once it was believed, then everyone slowly drifted in that direction of interpretation of scripture.

This has continued in the church. Reformation -> Baptist & Methodist -> Adventist -> Finney-Moody -> Pentecost -> Apostolic

Now what has happened to me is I currently attending a modern Full-Gospel church, but also participating in an apostolic evangelist group. And even among Bible teachers I listen to, I hear differences. Now, most differences, who cares?

But some of the differences I have encountered concern salvation itself and the Gospel.

Paul says:

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! - Galatians 1:8

But this is clearly happening... even happening among groups that are very similar. My church doesn't preach water baptism does anything, it is symbolic they say, and you just do it because you were told to. The apostolic group says it is required for salvation, as if you wont enter heaven without it.

And in my own research, I am trying to figure out who is right and who is wrong since I will be under a curse should I not get my interpretation correct.

My conclusion was a 3rd thing no one has ever preached before. This means that if I am correct, all of Christianity is cursed since I'm the only person with the true gospel.

And my human reaction is that this is ludicrous.

Why can't Christians understand the gospel? I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but shouldn't someone understand it? And that group that does understand it, why are they right and all other Christians dead wrong and cursed?

But this applies to any topic really about scripture. "I'm right because I have 5 verses plus my own interpretation of those 5 verses, and I ignored 10 verses to come up with these 5... " This seems to be Christianity's interpretation of scripture.

Because all language was "confused" (by God) at the tower of Babel.

The reason being...that just as "blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in" (Romans 11:25), so too, has the same blindness in part happened to the Gentiles - until the fullness thereof.

 

[JacksBratt]

To be saved you must be willing and make the choice.
To be unsaved you must be willing and make the choice.
Your choice each time, to be saved or to trample underfoot the blood of the SAVIOR who saved you,thus being again unsaved and no more with the chance to repent.

I don't understand. "Your choice, each time". What do you mean by "each time"?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That's not what 1 Corinthians or John 6 say.

No. You are misinterpretting those passages or verses in Scripture.

In John 6: Eating Christ's flesh is in reference to Jesus's statement in John 4 when He said that His meat was to do the will of the Father. Drinking Christ's blood is in reference to believing in His blood (Romans 3:25) and in reference to walking in the light as He is in the light so that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

As for 1 Corinthians 11:29: Well, this is in reference to not examing yourself spiritually (verse 28) whereby you will not be able to to discern the Lord's body (i.e. other faithful believers) when you partake of the Lord's supper in fellowship with them. The partaking of the Lord's supper is symbolic of Christ's death (Which is related in how we live). We drink damnation for ourselves in the Lord's supper if we are living hypocritically to what His Word says. For the Lord's supper is a symbolic act of His death.


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[Bible Highlighter]

No, Peter left his fishing boat with his father and hired help. Peter also owned a house where his mother-in-law lived.
We don't know what the others owned or didn't own.

The point is that they forsaked all for Christ.

"we have left all, and have followed thee." (Mark 10:28).

Peter did not continue to be a fisherman and not follow Jesus.
That is kind of the point.
Also, the rich young ruler was not willing to give up his riches.
Jesus said it is hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


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[Meowzltov]

This means a spiritual gift of being an inspired teacher not just some one who goes to bible college and becomes a pastor.

The Holy Spirit can only work with raw material. He cannot give you knowledge you don't already possess. For example, the Holy Spirit can't reveal to you the background of Second Temple Judaism that explains the context of Jesus' arguments with the Pharisees, or the writings of Greek playwrites that Paul quotes, or the texts of the Church Fathers that explain that the Lord's Day is Sunday. You have to actually have an education to know those sorts of things.