Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?

miknik5 · Oct 25, 2016

Paul came to an end in himself. And he left himself to THE LORD. Hr knew that this did not make him innocent (his conscience was clear) but it is THE LORD who will judge

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 25, 2016

Jason0047 said:
I have not found anyone who is openly acting sinful in such a way amongst a body of believers that I have attended so far. But my life experience does not undo what the Word of God says. The point is that if Paul can judge the Corinthians, and a sinful man (in his letter to the Corinthians), and Paul says we are to follow his example (with his example being Christ), then that means we can judge, too.

I've seen this clearly and openly practiced (sin) in many congregations I've visited or even joined for a while.

Some of the conservative and upset members even have asked me what to do about this - about other 'members' coming every week and living in open sin, and the pastor and everyone else
not only 'ignores' this and SMILES and shakes their hand,
sometimes
(too often)
it IS THE PASTOR OR deacons or elders (staff) involved in OPEN SINFULNESS blatantly, without repentance !

I Witness · Oct 25, 2016

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-mind-of-christ.7971931/

Ask yourselves...

Are you?
Are they?

United with Christ in mind and thought?

miknik5 · Oct 25, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
I've seen this clearly and openly practiced (sin) in many congregations I've visited or even joined for a while.

Some of the conservative and upset members even have asked me what to do about this - about other 'members' coming every week and living in open sin, and the pastor and everyone else
not only 'ignores' this and SMILES and shakes their hand,
sometimes
(too often)
it IS THE PASTOR OR deacons or elders (staff) involved in OPEN SINFULNESS blatantly, without repentance !

Since you have seen it and admit that you have seen it what are you doing about it

Bible Highlighter · Oct 25, 2016

miknik5 said:
Paul came to an end in himself. And he left himself to THE LORD. Hr knew that this did not make him innocent (his conscience was clear) but it is THE LORD who will judge

Your not getting it. Paul judged the Corinthians. He said we are to follow his example. Case closed. You either believe the Bible or you don't believe it.

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Bible Highlighter · Oct 25, 2016

miknik5 said:
The man had his father's wife sir. His sin was known and all in the church knew it

Yes. And Paul was able to judge this sin. Yet you are saying we cannot judge.

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yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 25, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Yes. And Paul was able to judge this sin. Yet you are saying we cannot judge.

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English ! UghHHH..... "judge" means not what it means in SCRIPTURE.
In order to drive a car in armaerica, you have to judge constantly - judge distance, speed, red/ green/ yellow lights, pedestrians, other cars ....
momentum, inertia, acceleration , merging, constantly...

So instead of anyone continuing to wrongly say "don't judge" and thus end up causing a massive apostatsy /falling away of potentially faithful members in their own congregation,
JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY
the way Y'SHUA MESSIAH SAYS TO.... not wrongly but right!

miknik5 · Oct 25, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Yes. And Paul was able to judge this sin. Yet you are saying we cannot judge.

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I am saying have you SEEN anyone's sin HERE!

And as to the man who had his fathers wife Paul said throw him out so that his flesh may be destroyed by Satan. But as to his spirit and judging him to condemnation. NO!

Rather that he be restored so his spirit may be saved even if in his flesh he is destroyed by Satan

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 25, 2016

..moved to private forum...

miknik5 · Oct 25, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Yes. And Paul was able to judge this sin. Yet you are saying we cannot judge.

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If one is blatantly living in sin point it out to your brother in private

You know the proper steps don't you?

Finally if he doesn't repent than you are to have nothing to do with him. But thus in the hopes THE he will cone to his senses and be restored

Remember there also was a man who had repented and Paul had to convince the body to accept him back and not let him become overwhelmed

So yes everything is done for an ultimate purpose to restore the sinner and bring him back into fellowship

miknik5 · Oct 25, 2016

But where here on this forum has one sinned where his sin was seen and made known?

miknik5 · Oct 25, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
..moved to private forum...

Isn't that what you always do?

Let's see you publicly announced the sins of those in your church but now you must move to a private forum to continue your conversation.

BobRyan · Oct 25, 2016

BobRyan said: ↑
That is the purpose of sola scriptura testing - to make sure one is not being lead by a cleaver demon.

Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul -- were SO"

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Yes, so then,
what kind of person or teaching is and would be opposed to what SCRIPTURE SAYS ?

Indeed - if scripture exposes the flaws in one's doctrines - then that person might be inclined to oppose the idea of having scripture expose such flaws.

BobRyan · Oct 25, 2016

Jason0047 said:
Well, your argument is not with me but it would be with the very words of Jesus. For He told us to be perfect (not me).
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Is this straying from the sola scriptura subject?

if so...let's go back to the topic

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antletems said:
Prayer so that one can be awakened by the Holy Spirit to see that with Sola Scripture one has to be very careful that one is not being led by the devil! He is a very clever demon.

Turns out scripture is to be trusted over man-made tradition of the magisterium

"How can that be?" you ask?

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Notice what Jesus said about the obligation of others - when it comes to the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments

Jesus Himself admits that they are claiming to be proclaiming sacred tradition.

Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

-57 · Oct 25, 2016

antletems said:
One needs to make sure that one is ready for death. There is no excuse!

A true Christian is ready for death the moment they are converted.

-57 · Oct 25, 2016

Open Heart said:
Sorry, but I don't buy into all that Calvinist gibberish. God doesn't want robots; he wants children who love him freely.

WHAAAAAT? I'm not a robot and I also love him freely....where is your strawman argument coming from?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 26, 2016

miknik5 said:
If one is blatantly living in sin point it out to your brother in private

You know the proper steps don't you?

Finally if he doesn't repent than you are to have nothing to do with him. But thus in the hopes THE he will cone to his senses and be restored

Remember there also was a man who had repented and Paul had to convince the body to accept him back and not let him become overwhelmed

So yes everything is done for an ultimate purpose to restore the sinner and bring him back into fellowship

Well, you are trying to force a passage in Scripture upon me that does not apply here. For where did I talk about correcting somebody here personally for a specific sin they did towards me?

The short answer is that I didn't.

In other words, I am attacking a wrong belief and not attacking any one particular individual.

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Bible Highlighter · Oct 26, 2016

miknik5 said:
I am saying have you SEEN anyone's sin HERE!

And as to the man who had his fathers wife Paul said throw him out so that his flesh may be destroyed by Satan. But as to his spirit and judging him to condemnation. NO!

Rather that he be restored so his spirit may be saved even if in HIS flesh he is destroyed by Satan

Somebody here already admitted that we all abide in urepentant sin. I do not agree that this is true for all Christians. However, my attack is upon this belief and not the individual, though. It's not personal and I am not seeking to expose anyone. God will judge all men in the proper time. I am merely exposing a wrong belief so that others are not led astray. What is this wrong belief? Well, I am against the Antinomian gospel that says that a believer can sin and still be saved. This is a real belief that real people believe. There are different levels of Antinomianism. Some believe you can sin a lot and be saved and others believe you can only abide in one or two unrepentant sins as long as you generally lived a holy life. The problem I have is the belief that says that a person is saved despite their committing evil or sin. This is a real belief that is a real problem in the church today. I have talked with both of these kinds of people both online and in person over the years.

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ewq1938 · Oct 26, 2016

Bible Highlighter · Oct 26, 2016

May God's love shine upon all who are here.

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