I sometimes get so tired of the labels that we (all of us, me too) put on Christians.
We need to stop doing that, me too.
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I sometimes get so tired of the labels that we (all of us, me too) put on Christians.I understand. It is wrong for someone to say that once forgiven then all sins are forgiven as one needs to repent and ask forgiveness every time one sins. In my case, by going to confession.
But what about the Old Testament people? The 10 Commandments were in effect in the Old Covenant. And breaking one commandment is the same as breaking all of them.
And YShua Messiah was not born yet.
So, how are you applying the Messiah's atonement for sin to the Old Covenant 10 Commandments?
How do you know who has repented or not and who has not committed a sin?no it doesn't ..
it says if any says they "have no sin" .. not do not sin . if a person knows it sin and they still do it .that is rebellion .
and when would a person say they have sin ? simple , when God tells them they have sin. and why does god convict people of sin? so they can repent and be forgiven and when he forgives them and cleanses them from ALL unrighteousness (not some) they are then without sin for god has declared them cleansed just as he declared them to be sinners . and now they are to "GO and sin no more " as he told the accused woman . if they Go and do not return and do the sin he forgave them more then they can say they 'do not sin' .and still be perfectly truthful and in line with God for they do not go back and do the sin he forgave them for and cleansed them off.
they have repented .
Right, so why are you talking about what Jesus sins atone for in the Old Covenant? No atonement if Jesus hadn't died yet.Old Covenant was then. That was in the past. Jesus brought the new Covenant.
Right, so why are you talking about what Jesus sins atone for in the Old Covenant? No atonement if Jesus hadn't died yet.
Jesus death and blood are the atonement.
Now that is quite a statement.The church never had justification by faith until Martin Luther and the reformation.
Does eternal death not await anyone who breaks one of the 10 Commandments?Don't know what context you mean for this.
The penalty for sin is death, yes.
Either a man dies for his sins,
or Y'SHUA MESSIAH died for his sins.
Technically.... yes. However, do you think that a true believer who has accepted Christ and repented from their sins could actually just go off as a loose cannon and sin perpetually?So you can sin as freely as you like then?
No.Does eternal death not await anyone who breaks one of the 10 Commandments?
No.My point was.... there is no sense in getting all caught up in the number of commandments and laws, the new or old covenant.... There is just one simple fact..we are sinners, we need Christ, Christ will give us salvation no matter how many laws or commandments we have broken.
Martin Luther didn't write Romans 3:25 through Romans 3:26The church never had justification by faith until Martin Luther and the reformation. And once it was believed, then everyone slowly drifted in that direction of interpretation of scripture.
This has continued in the church. Reformation -> Baptist & Methodist -> Adventist -> Finney-Moody -> Pentecost -> Apostolic
Now what has happened to me is I currently attending a modern Full-Gospel church, but also participating in an apostolic evangelist group. And even among Bible teachers I listen to, I hear differences. Now, most differences, who cares?
But some of the differences I have encountered concern salvation itself and the Gospel.
Paul says:
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! - Galatians 1:8
But this is clearly happening... even happening among groups that are very similar. My church doesn't preach water baptism does anything, it is symbolic they say, and you just do it because you were told to. The apostolic group says it is required for salvation, as if you wont enter heaven without it.
And in my own research, I am trying to figure out who is right and who is wrong since I will be under a curse should I not get my interpretation correct.
My conclusion was a 3rd thing no one has ever preached before. This means that if I am correct, all of Christianity is cursed since I'm the only person with the true gospel.
And my human reaction is that this is ludicrous.
Why can't Christians understand the gospel? I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but shouldn't someone understand it? And that group that does understand it, why are they right and all other Christians dead wrong and cursed?
But this applies to any topic really about scripture. "I'm right because I have 5 verses plus my own interpretation of those 5 verses, and I ignored 10 verses to come up with these 5... " This seems to be Christianity's interpretation of scripture.
Why all the mixup on this forum about this, and throughout religion throughout the world?But what about the Old Testament people? The 10 Commandments were in effect in the Old Covenant. And breaking one commandment is the same as breaking all of them.
And YShua Messiah was not born yet.
So, how are you applying the Messiah's atonement for sin to the Old Covenant 10 Commandments?
Technically.... yes. However, do you think that a true believer who has accepted Christ and repented from their sins could actually just go off as a loose cannon and sin perpetually?
I don't.
After salvation we will continue to sin. It is our human nature. We will pay the human penalty for human crimes but our salvation is sealed.
We will not be given rewards in heaven and may get in just as the doors close, however, saved non the less.
That's true.Martin Luther didn't write Romans 3:25 through Romans 3:26
This man starts a thread about Martin Luther questioning his understanding and doesn't remember what is written in Romans 3:25 through Romans 3:26?That's true.
So?
Multitudes of people never read it. Many were put to death if they tried to , or even for asking questions about this.
Luther simply was granted faith from heaven by YHWH to read it and believe it,
was set free from the bondage multitudes had been in still,
and proclaimed the message of YHWH'S KINGDOM
as much as he was able to.
just reference GOD's WORD which already said GOD turned the whole world over to disobedience and that it is through CHRIST's sacrifice that we are justified
to be just when HE judges and the justifier of all whose faith is in HIS SON certainly clearly answers the truth that GOD is the SOURCE and not Martin
They were in bondage after they were set free? Then they keep forgetting what and who has set them freeThat's true.
So?
Multitudes of people never read it. Many were put to death if they tried to , or even for asking questions about this.
Luther simply was granted faith from heaven by YHWH to read it and believe it,
was set free from the bondage multitudes had been in still,
and proclaimed the message of YHWH'S KINGDOM
as much as he was able to.
Who?They were in bondage after they were set free? Then they keep forgetting what and who has set them free
What do you want me to do about it? They aren't keeping before them what they began inWho?
Many revert back to bondage, whether set free or not, fully or partly. This is the human condition, everywhere,
with few exceptions.
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