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The same could be said for every pre-pubescent boy and girl.Not fully formed, but still a human being.
No it does not. Not if it is done to defend and protect the innocent. It is murder if I attack another country who has not attacked me or anyone else.Does war count as murder?
Does war count as murder?
No it does not. Not if it is done to defend and protect the innocent. It is murder if I attack another country who has not attacked me or anyone else.
Let's get a good understanding of what I ACTUALLY have said. I have not said that it is perfect inly okay to kill 'innocent babies'. I suppose it is not worth the effort to point out that they are not babies until they are born and no one is supporting killing babies, innocent or otherwise.
I have already pointed out that abortion is not the best outcome for a pregnancy. I just don't think that making a woman a criminal for it will put an end to it. Not everything can be handled and forgotten just because we pass a law.
There are social issues which come into play which create the situations which cause women to have abortions. These are things like shaming women who become pregnant out of wedlock, low pay for women who are single mothers, lack of adequate child care for single women who are supporting a child through work.
We have lot of issues which are involved in the abortion discussion. And they will not go away just because we pass a law banning abortions. My position is that we need to deal with the social issues which drive women to have abortions and the abortion rates will plummet without the need for more laws.
Finally, -I- only accept the teachings of Jesus as coming from God. I don't fall for the 'inspired writing' dodge used by the religion as a means to negate Jesus' teachings. All teachings by man, even those found in the Bible, need to conform to the teachings of Jesus in order to remain valid.
And one of the teachings of Jesus is that the ENTIRE Old Testament law and teachings of the Prophets are fulfilled in Him. Since He has fulfilled them and replaced them with the Two Great Commandments, they are no longer valid teachings.
Look what Jesus said right after He announced His commandments, "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Jesus turned the world upside down. But it appears that it is His world to turn upside down.
The RELIGION doesn't want you to know that. The RELIGION wants to be able to still teach out of the Old Testament because that gives authority to a world based religion. Jesus elevated the spiritual access for all people.
We have to be more responsible for our own actions now that we don't have a law based religion to order us around. EVERYTHING from the old Law is summed up in the two Great Commandments. But now we have to elevate our own spirituality to navigate His teachings. We have to learn Divine Love and how to apply it.
Who decides who the innocent are and what counts as an attack to justify a retaliation? Flawed human beings are left to make that judgment, are they not?No it does not. Not if it is done to defend and protect the innocent. It is murder if I attack another country who has not attacked me or anyone else.
I do not believe attacks on Afghanistan was wrong. The Taliban was involved in attacking us.So we should consider America's attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq as murder?
This sounds an awful lot like what ISIS likes to say to the people they murder. That it is their god's judgment upon their enemies so it is well deserved.Depends.. If it is called by God then it is God using one group of people to carry out a judgement upon another.. Therefore it is not unlawful killing but a punishment being carried out.. Akin to a death penalty..
Who decides who the innocent are and what counts as an attack to justify a retaliation? Flawed human beings are left to make that judgment, are they not?
This sounds an awful lot like what ISIS likes to say to the people they murder. That it is their god's judgment upon their enemies so it is well deserved.
I do too but then again, I don't believe in the commandment to love your enemies. I think it's perfectly natural to want to stop a threat but I think that commandment was intended for people to rise above their base instincts of retaliation and vengeance.Yes they are. And as a flawed human being I believe our attack on Germany and Japan is WW2 was justified. I also believe the attack on Afghanistan was too.
They claim to being led by their God, just like all believers in all the different gods tend to do... Everyone says they're doing what their God says to do but it rarely ever works out for the ones who disagree with them.Well ISIS is not lead by God so their actions are evil...
Indeed and we all seem to have slightly different ideas of right and wrong and different things we are willing to accept as well as different things we are willing to stand against. To tie this back into the OP..... Morality is a subjective experience. That's why there isn't going to be perfect agreement on the complicated subject of abortion, even between Christians themselves.It is all down to what you believe i guess.. You being a humanist have a different world view to me and i have a different world view to ISIS...
And I appreciate that.But anyway i have given you my Christian view and thats what this forum is for
No it doesn't do any good to point out that unborn babies are not babies. They are and we are murdering them by the thousands. If you excuse that and say we should not criminalize it then you support the killing of Innocents, while on the other hand not supporting the killing of the guilty.
You forget that there is a great difference between the law and the teaching of the OT. The entire OT is not the law my friend. Much is taught and much is said in the OT that tells you what God thinks about things. To pass off the entire OT as not valid is completely off base. The law was brought to Israiel through Moses. That is the law. The rest of the OT deals with the history of of Israiel and also contains God teaching and God's thoughts on a myriad of subjects through the prophets. Do not miss that point it is an important one. God is the same yesterday today and forever.
Yes the two commandments of love are in effect today. So is the command to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It is not love to allow the evil man to destroy others. It is not love to allow an evil man to wipe out a race of people. Should we have allowed slavery to continue and not fought the civil war? Should we have allowed the world to live under Nazi rule? How is that love? How does that fulfill the law of love?
Why didn't Jesus tell the soldier to stop being a soldier?
I see that you are a selective teaching believer. You only accept the scriptures you want to accept. That is another false theology and one that is worthy of mention.
I don't think war is necessarily murder in every instance but that's only because I realize there is a legal distinction between the two. Ultimately, war is just a bunch of people legally allowed to kill each other. The fact that it is legally allowed and there are rules doesn't change the fact that it is people intentionally trying to kill each other into submission. The only difference is the legal distinction that governments have created for themselves to do it.We are getting way off topic here. The topic is why do Christians oppose abortion. I still find it interesting that there are those who would call war murder under any circumstances but not call abortion the same. It seems a bit off that if someone comes to kill my neighbor that I shouldn't defend them cause that's murder, but killing an innocent human being who is not threatening anyone is perfectly fine.
They claim to being led by their God, just like all believers in all the different gods tend to do... Everyone says they're doing what their God says to do but it rarely ever works out for the ones who disagree with them.
I do too but then again, I don't believe in the commandment to love your enemies. I think it's perfectly natural to want to stop a threat but I think that commandment was intended for people to rise above their base instincts of retaliation and vengeance.
I don't think war is necessarily murder in every instance but that's only because I realize there is a legal distinction between the two. Ultimately, war is just a bunch of people legally allowed to kill each other. The fact that it is legally allowed and there are rules doesn't change the fact that it is people intentionally trying to kill each other into submission. The only difference is the legal distinction that governments have created for themselves to do it.
The same is true with abortion. It is a legal distinction that ultimately justifies the death of the fetus, just like we have with war, just like we have with the death penalty, just like we have with self defense protections.
I do not believe attacks on Afghanistan was wrong. The Taliban was involved in attacking us.
I do not believe we should have attacked Iraq. We did it as a preventative measure. I don't support that.
Not yet a human being in my opinion.Not fully formed, but still a human being.
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