Why are Christians content with only what they are told?

[razzelflabben]

I don't intend to have fun. I intend to expose the truth, to identify where change is needed. If you believe that I need to change, you should be attempting to show me why your belief is true, not trying to have fun with an argument.

if this were true you would not be trying to stir an argument...

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which is exactly what I did but you tried to insight a debate which turns it into a game to see if I will engage or not.

.. but that is different from what I remembered because it too does not allow for a Christian to engage another Christian in this area of the website.

This seems to be designed to reinforce the primary goal of this forum, which is to assist non-believers in gaining the information they are seeking.

I have responded to your pm

 

[razzelflabben]

Where did this idea come from that scripture is authored by God? Oh wait, the authors of the book of the Bible wrote that. So you are still essentially putting your hands into the authors of the Bible, are you not?

only as a starting point. In context of my entire post, this is coupled with testing. Look at it this way and yes I'm using an absurd example to make the point....some guy steps forward and claims to be the one and only shakespeare that wrote Romeo and Juliet. Now we have two choices, 1. we can accept the claim as fact, or 2. we can test the claim and see if there is evidence to support the claim. In our example it isn't hard, Shakespeare is dead, that narrows down the possibility quite a bit, but that is why I said the example is absurd to make a point. Scripture makes a point and we have two choices 1. we take the claim as fact or 2. which is what I made sure to include in my post, we test the claim to see if there is evidence of it's truth. In the case of the bible, I have yet to find a single shred of evidence that would falsify the claim and a lot of evidence that verifies the claim....now, that being said, there are tons of people out there that claim to have evidence that falsifies the claim, problem is, if we don't just take their word for it, and actually test their claims, we see a totally different version than the one they want to present. IOW's this testing of claims works both ways, both for those who claim God authored the bible and those who claim He didn't. Shame on either side that takes man's word over the evidence.

And you are believing this because the authors of the Bible told you that is inspired by God.

see above, I'm not sure how to be more clear but I will try to think of a way to do so.

And you are believing this because the authors of the Bible told you that God authored it.

see above, I'm not sure how to be more clear but I will try to think of a way to do so.

 

[oi_antz]

Where did this idea come from that scripture is authored by God? Oh wait, the authors of the book of the Bible wrote that.

Can you please tell me which statement you are referring to?

 

[oi_antz]

if this were true you would not be trying to stir an argument...

No, that is not what I want. I want resolution, which requires a showdown of opposing views until concession is achieved.

which is exactly what I did but you tried to insight a debate which turns it into a game to see if I will engage or not.

You chose to engage me in post #8. I did not choose to engage you, I chose to respond to you.

As mentioned in my PM reply to your PM, I will form this question over the next few days and begin a public discussion. I will post the link here too for the interest of others watching.

 

[razzelflabben]

No, that is not what I want. I want resolution, which requires a showdown of opposing views until concession is achieved.

see the word showdown, that is an agressive word that indicates you want a debate. In fact, scripture says, come, let us reason together...those are peace words, so your own words accuse you.....which means we are done at least per this thread.

 

[oi_antz]

see the word showdown, that is an agressive word that indicates you want a debate. In fact, scripture says, come, let us reason together...those are peace words, so your own words accuse you.....which means we are done at least per this thread.

Sure, that is what I want. I am sorry if what you thought I want is different to that, through my understanding of a word that I used being precisely descriptive, and my determination that such a degree of precision is appropriate, has made you uncomfortable. Yet, the effect is the same. That is to give and take reason and to be reasonable until a concession is made that someone has not been reasonable.

Please do contribute appropriately to the peace we both desire, razzelflabben.

Demonstrate that when you do it to me, you do may as well be doing it to Him!

 

[razzelflabben]

Sure, that is what I want. I am sorry if what you thought I want is different to that, through my understanding of a word that I used being precisely descriptive, and my determination that such a degree of precision is appropriate, has made you uncomfortable. Yet, the effect is the same. That is to give and take reason and to be reasonable until a concession is made that someone has not been reasonable.

Please do contribute appropriately to the peace we both desire, razzelflabben.

Demonstrate that when you do it to me, you do may as well be doing it to Him!

what troubles me with your accusations of me, is that none of the points I am making to you about the topic are even addressed by you. If you really wanted a peaceful resolution, you would at least address the points made rather than ignoring them to continue with your "showdown"...ah well....

 

[aiki]

Why are Christians content with only what they are told?

How do you know this is true of all Christians, or even most of them? Is everything a person is told necessarily false? If so, why?

Why are Christians comfortable putting their entire lives into the hands of the authors of the Bible? Weren't they humans who were just as fallible as we are? Weren't they just as capable of lying and being wrong as we are?

Fallible humans produce perfectly good recipes, and road maps, and surgical procedures, and designs for rockets, and satellites and ocean liners. Being fallible, having the potential to be in error, doesn't mean that everything humans think and produce is also necessarily fallible.

A person being capable of lying does not mean that that person has, therefore, told a lie. The disciples may have had, as humans, the potential for lying within them, but this by no means proves that what they wrote in the Gospels was therefore necessarily false.

What makes them so trusted?

What makes them suspect? Why should we assume they are telling lies rather than the truth?

Why doesn't it bother anyone that the Bible is the only thing on this planet that points directly to Yahweh?

Why should it bother me? I also have my own personal experience of God upon which to rest my faith. That experience has only borne out the claims of the Bible.

And why is it wrong for me to be skeptical of that evidence when I know it was man-made?

How skeptical are you of other things that are man-made? Ever ridden a bicycle? Do you drive a car? Have you ever flown in a plane? Have you ever had a dentist fill a cavity? Do you watch a man-made t.v.? Are you aware that the internet is man-made? Do you exert the same skepticism toward these things that you do toward the Bible? If not, I would suggest that your problem isn't with the Bible being man-made.

The Bible claims a divine origin. I ask myself, then, if it bears the marks of the divine. I think it does. And so I trust that the Bible is indeed the Word of God.

Selah.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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