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Why Adventists are attacked so bitterly...

Gibs

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Yes, Kira, and then also all the protestant Sunday keeping denominations then have an ally in defense of Sunday.

But we are not out to hurt, our mission is to heal, be as our Lord, meek and gentle and yet not veering from the truth.

A gentle presentation of the Word as a friend and go on and allow the Holy Spirit His Work, and our prayer for that.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
 
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That surprises me. I was one of them. So was everyone I knew... The Sabbath to me either mattered, or it didn't. At least for a long time.

On another note, imagine you are one of the billion or so Catholics out there. A little tiny church has been calling your leader, the pope, the anti-christ for some 160 years and counting. How might you imagine you would feel towards them? Or do you not know any Adventists that believe that, either?

I don't know - I wouldn't take it personally. I grew up in Sunday church because I didn't know any better. Once I found out that there are people who are Christians who still keep Sabbath, I found it interesting (I only learned that about 2 or 3 years ago). I didn't feel like they were picking on those who were Sunday keepers... just doing what they felt was correct.

As I learned more, I ran across things I had believed/observed but I didn't take it personally: I just saw it as new light.

Whenever I even broach the topic of the pope (which is rare), I make sure that the other person/people know(s) that I'm not personally attacking them but simply talking about prophecy that can be plainly found in the bible.

I know there are Adventists who behave in tasteless ways, pouncing on others for things they don't know (my mom said there was an Adventist where she worked who told her that if she didn't go to church on Sabbath, she was going straight to hell). And there are probably a lot of people like that, but that doesn't automatically dismiss the truth that is believed.

Salvation is an individual thing. We each have a choice to either accept the gracious gift of salvation, or not. I don't believe that any particular church group is *the* remnant, but those individuals who have a personal, real relationship with Jesus and are renewed by the Holy Spirit and truthfully present good fruit to those they encounter are the true remnant. There are good, godly, Tue Christians in all churches and dishonest fake "Christians" in all churches.

But nobody should take it personally when their leaders are criticised, especially in line with biblical prophecy.
 
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John, hadn't looked close enough, I see your comment was to,

Originally Posted by David Conklin
>Too many SDA's push and give the impression they know more and are superior to other Christians.

I've only met one guy who gave the impression that he thought that he was better than everyone else. The critics of the church on the other hand ...

Then you told him,
I guess you havent seen too much in your life. so far... you are probably adventist by birth, right?

So John, looks as though he has different people surrounding him. Which I wish was true every where.

However the young SDA's here don't witness or try to, more like all the other denominations,

More interest in the cyber world and can't carry a conversation even with out playing with the thing in their hands. You name the things.

Plus the radiation from them is not good either.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

:)

I never felt too good with most SDAs that I have met... its like I have always been a different breed...
 
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I think the sole reason for being attacked is that there is a sizable contingent in the SDA church that firmly believes everyone else is going to hell for not keeping the Sabbath.

Those that have the mark of the beast don't like those who have the mark of Yahweh. Im not a SDA however thier stance on the Sabbath is correct. (i am not saying who will or won't go to the lake of fire however)

The RFID chip is not the avtual mark of the beast it is the way of enforcement however. The mark of the beast is the oppisite of the mark of YAHWEH. The mark of Yahweh can be found in Scripture: (On a topic this important please take the time to read this, it may be different than what you have heard however it is pure Scripture, if any wish to rufute this please use Scripture and remember this Revelation 12:9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
who deceives the whole world.")

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the
children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."


Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of
the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no Sabbath night and day, who
worship the beast and his likeness..."

This "sign" is your actions (hand) and your belief/faith (between your eyes/forehead)

If you think the Sabbath is only for the Hebrew people and/or gentiles were grafted in during the NT you are Scriptually wrong:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

The Sabbath change had nothig to do with the Messiah, it came from Constantine at the council of Nicea 321ad and it is based upon SUN god worship (Sol Invictus Mithra), look up Cardinal James Gibbons quotes on the change of the Sabbath. It is the beast that changed it in the minds of the people; Revelation 17:9, "And here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits." Watch this video to see the Scriptual evidence of who the 1st beast is

youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ttb-VFFuM
 
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Hizikyah, very straight testiomony. It is a mark the Angels can see, our mindset, what is in our Spirit of whose we belong to.

And our God has a name, high and Holy and Reverent is His Name, no other is to be called Reverent. Yahweh and our Saviour is actually Yahweh Messiah!

Now on a comment from John M., I am about the same way, not with all mind you as I am with some very wonderful SDA's.

"I never felt too good with most SDAs that I have met... its like I have always been a different breed...

Many are on a different "wave length than I and I don't fit in.

I fit in better with most Messianic Jews I guess and I've heard a couple of their ministries on Short Wave radio and are right on and I know of a couple on SW radio who are Sabbath ministries and the straight testimony of the True Witness is given by them too.

For sure SDA's are not the only ones on target, He has always had His Faithful in His Church,

Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Show me where His Church has fallen. It has not, and I choose to be in it.

It is by Spirit and Truth, nothing less is acceptable!

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Dear ones, THAT IS A PROMISE!


1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The KJV reads thus, - - Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.
 
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Every church has their tares--so why get upset over them? God will sort it all out in the end. No church has only wonderful, loving, kind holy people--not a single one. I learned that I go to church to worship God and His truth--not to look around and judge those around me. God is not going to be impressed with me when I stand before Him and complain about all the other members of those who call themselves His followers. He is interested in how I have conducted myself, how I have loved others, how much I have loved Him, how I have spent my time and money, and used my talents to further His work and ease the suffering of others. He is not interested in how many degrees I acquired, how many ancient languages I learned, or how well I quoted scripture--He wants to know if I lived His word, and will not be questioning me about what I thought of my fellow church members walk with Him---That's His business with them.
 
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There is one that has not fallen into error, He has told us it wouldn't,

Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

This one don't have a denominational name! Any can be in it only if they worship Him in Spirit and in truth!

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
 
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