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are you saying that when man move his hand its not a natural process but a directed process?
so a natural process can create a car?Are you saying that when a waterfall falls down (as opposed to left or right or up) it's not a natural process but a directed process?
Waterfalls and people are natural things. They act as they do according to their nature and the laws that govern natural things. Gravity directs a waterfall, and the brain directs the motion of a hand. But there is nothing unnatural about either.
if they dont believe in higher power then they also dont believe that nature was designed and thus they do have claims about the origins of the universe.That is incorrect. Atheists only lack belief in a deity. It makes zero claims about the origins of the universe.
so what you think? do you agree that when someone move his hand is the result of a natural process or a directed one?Depends on the context. That's the thing about the English language. Words take on different meanings depending on context.
This is why arguments based solely in semantics usually don't go anywhere.
I love how you make a big issue of the fact English is "not my native", yet you persist in engaging in arguments predicated on detailed understandings of semantics and linguistics, particularly in respect to English.so what you think? do you agree that when someone move his hand is the result of a natural process or a directed one?
so what you think? do you agree that when someone move his hand is the result of a natural process or a directed one?
Yes, their "claim" is basically the same as the claim of science in that respect: "We don't know."if they dont believe in higher power then they also dont believe that nature was designed and thus they do have claims about the origins of the universe.
so a natural process can create a car?
Yes, for a given value of 'natural'.so a natural process can create a car?
Atheists also don't believe that nature was not designed.if they dont believe in higher power then they also dont believe that nature was designed and thus they do have claims about the origins of the universe.
Both.so what you think? do you agree that when someone move his hand is the result of a natural process or a directed one?
if they dont believe in higher power then they also dont believe that nature was designed and thus they do have claims about the origins of the universe.
No, you're putting the cart before the horse, one is demonstrably a process that requires a mind behind it, the other does not show that in the slightest in spite of arguments to the contraryNot bad, except the eventual outcome, somewhere along the line was just what the OP stated, and unless I'm missing something, there need be no particular sequence, as long as it happened eventually
thus a natural process can create robots and cars according to atheism. or a natural process+time= a car.
It can and it did.
No, you're putting the cart before the horse, one is demonstrably a process that requires a mind behind it, the other does not show that in the slightest in spite of arguments to the contrary
No one's claiming a house or a robot or a plane comes into existence naturally, but a hermit crab's shell or a bird's wings can and have come about through natural processes that don't entail a mind behind them to make sense
If the two exclusive options are natural and supernatural, then certainly there is nothing supernatural about the production of a car. If those are the only options offered, then it is natural.
Ordinarily, we draw a distinction between natural and artificial ('made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally'). So if we're given three options: natural, artificial, supernatural. Then obviously cars are artificial.
This is not rocket science. (Rockets are artificial.)
Where you went wrong was in agreeing that atheism has a position on origins, or indeed anything other than the existence of a deity.Please be more specific on where I was wrong by showing me what part of my post (the post you replied to) was in error?
Not bad, except the eventual outcome, somewhere along the line was just what the OP stated, and unless I'm missing something, there need be no particular sequence, as long as it happened eventually
Yes.according to atheism the whole universe (uncluding all the objects inside it)was made by a natural process. thus a natural process can create robots and cars according to atheism. or a natural process+time= a car.
No there is nothing about atheism that says anything about the Universe being made by a natural processaccording to atheism the whole universe (uncluding all the objects inside it)was made by a natural process. thus a natural process can create robots and cars according to atheism. or a natural process+time= a car.
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