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Why Abortion should never be Outlawed!! (an honest, personal eperience) TRUTH!!!!
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<blockquote data-quote="mdancin4theLord" data-source="post: 58430452" data-attributes="member: 289215"><p>From what I have read...they even use euthanasia on children. </p><p><span style="color: black">Once assisted suicide is legalized, it will be impossible to contain. It will become impossible to protect the vulnerable and mentally ill. Its really then death on demand and families will abuse this. They will be able to just drop grandma off at the death mill and say goodbye. The elderly will feel pressured to die to save their families money. Most people want to die at this age because they are depressed...not at deaths door. Pain can be controlled today...but to kill someone is not our decision to make. God will take us when He is ready.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Where does it say in scriptures to kill the elderly or mentally handicapped? </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">Like using abortion only for the tough cases&#8230;those promoting assisted suicide promised Oregon voters... said that it would be used only for extreme pain and suffering. Yet there has been NO documented case of assisted suicide used for untreatable pain. Instead patients are being given lethal overdoes because of psychological and social concerns, especially fears that they may no longer be valued as people or may be a burden to their families.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"> </span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">&#8220;National studies show that among patients requesting assisted suicides, DEPRESSION is the only factor that significantly predicts the request for death.&#8221;</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">(Fifth Annual Report on Oregon&#8217;s Death with Dignity Act, Oregon Department of Human Services; Office of Disease Prevention and Epidemiology, March 6, 1003)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span> </span></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">The Oregon Health Division issues a yearly summary of assisted suicide using information derived from prescribing doctors. NO supporting documentation or independent evaluation is provided to determine the assisted suicide was performed in accordance with the LAW. ALL INFORMATION IS FORBIDDEN TO INSPECTION. </span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">They say they have no way to detect doctors who fail to report assisted deaths or commit other violations of the law. I know this because last year we had a pro-life doctor from Oregon state come and lecture on what is happening in Oregon.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">&#8220;Sixty-seven percent of suicides are because of psychiatric depression. By Oregon&#8217;s fifth year only 13% of suicide victims received psychiatric counseling. Social isolation and concerns about loss of autonomy and control over bodily function were the causes of suicide.&#8221;</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"> (Foley and Hendin, &#8220;The Oregon Report, Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell,&#8221; Hastings Center Report, May-June 1999)</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">I have been reading up on the Netherlands....</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">Euthanasia has expanded to infants, the depressed and the chronically ill. (Herbert Hendin MD, Chris Rutenfrans PHD and Zbigniew Zylicz MD, &#8220;Physicians-Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia in the Netherlands&#8221;, JAMA, June 4, 1997 vol.277, No 21, p. 1720)</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">Children as young as 12 with parental consent and those as young as 16 with parental notification can assess euthanasia. (Associated Press, Reuters, BBC, November 28,2000)</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"> &#8220;80% of euthanasia deaths are NOT requested by the patient. (Herbert Hendin MD, Chris Rutenfrans PHD and Zbigniew Zylicz MD, &#8220;Physicians-Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia in the Netherlands&#8221;, JAMA, June 4, 1997</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"> &#8220;Virtually every guideline set up by the Dutch has failed to protect patients or has been modified or violated. (Suzanne Daley, &#8220;The Dutch Seek to Legalize Long-Tolerated Euthanasia&#8221; New York Times, June 20,2000, p.A10)</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">No one has the right to take a life, unless it is for self defense or to protect someone. What physicians should do is to make life pain free, not to kill.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mdancin4theLord, post: 58430452, member: 289215"] From what I have read...they even use euthanasia on children. [COLOR=black]Once assisted suicide is legalized, it will be impossible to contain. It will become impossible to protect the vulnerable and mentally ill. Its really then death on demand and families will abuse this. They will be able to just drop grandma off at the death mill and say goodbye. The elderly will feel pressured to die to save their families money. Most people want to die at this age because they are depressed...not at deaths door. Pain can be controlled today...but to kill someone is not our decision to make. God will take us when He is ready.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Where does it say in scriptures to kill the elderly or mentally handicapped? [/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Like using abortion only for the tough cases…those promoting assisted suicide promised Oregon voters... said that it would be used only for extreme pain and suffering. Yet there has been NO documented case of assisted suicide used for untreatable pain. Instead patients are being given lethal overdoes because of psychological and social concerns, especially fears that they may no longer be valued as people or may be a burden to their families.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [COLOR=black][/COLOR][COLOR=black] [COLOR=black]“National studies show that among patients requesting assisted suicides, DEPRESSION is the only factor that significantly predicts the request for death.”[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black](Fifth Annual Report on Oregon’s Death with Dignity Act, Oregon Department of Human Services; Office of Disease Prevention and Epidemiology, March 6, 1003)[/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black]The Oregon Health Division issues a yearly summary of assisted suicide using information derived from prescribing doctors. NO supporting documentation or independent evaluation is provided to determine the assisted suicide was performed in accordance with the LAW. ALL INFORMATION IS FORBIDDEN TO INSPECTION. [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [COLOR=black]They say they have no way to detect doctors who fail to report assisted deaths or commit other violations of the law. I know this because last year we had a pro-life doctor from Oregon state come and lecture on what is happening in Oregon.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]“Sixty-seven percent of suicides are because of psychiatric depression. By Oregon’s fifth year only 13% of suicide victims received psychiatric counseling. Social isolation and concerns about loss of autonomy and control over bodily function were the causes of suicide.”[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] (Foley and Hendin, “The Oregon Report, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Hastings Center Report, May-June 1999)[/COLOR] I have been reading up on the Netherlands.... [COLOR=black]Euthanasia has expanded to infants, the depressed and the chronically ill. (Herbert Hendin MD, Chris Rutenfrans PHD and Zbigniew Zylicz MD, “Physicians-Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia in the Netherlands”, JAMA, June 4, 1997 vol.277, No 21, p. 1720)[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Children as young as 12 with parental consent and those as young as 16 with parental notification can assess euthanasia. (Associated Press, Reuters, BBC, November 28,2000)[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black] “80% of euthanasia deaths are NOT requested by the patient. (Herbert Hendin MD, Chris Rutenfrans PHD and Zbigniew Zylicz MD, “Physicians-Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia in the Netherlands”, JAMA, June 4, 1997[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [COLOR=black][COLOR=black] “Virtually every guideline set up by the Dutch has failed to protect patients or has been modified or violated. (Suzanne Daley, “The Dutch Seek to Legalize Long-Tolerated Euthanasia” New York Times, June 20,2000, p.A10)[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [COLOR=black]No one has the right to take a life, unless it is for self defense or to protect someone. What physicians should do is to make life pain free, not to kill.[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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