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<blockquote data-quote="AllieBaba2012" data-source="post: 58429405"><p>It is possible to choose a dignified death for yourself, and it doesn't involve requiring somebody else to kill you. But sometimes DEATH ISN'T DIGNIFIED. Killing off people doesn't change that. Kevorkian's methods were NOT dignified and involved dropping a terminally ill woman 2x, once on the sidewalk, and once in the house, as she was on her way to her "dignified" death.</p><p> </p><p>I provided more than one link, but here you go:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140053,00.html" target="_blank">Dutch Hospital Euthanizing Gravely Ill Babies - U.S. &amp; World - FOXNews.com</a></p><p> </p><p>"As things are, people are doing this secretly and that's wrong," said Eduard Verhagen, head of Groningen's children's clinic. "In the Netherlands we want to expose everything, to let everything be subjected to vetting."</p><p>According to the Justice Ministry, four cases of child euthanasia were reported to prosecutors in 2003. Two were reported in 2002, seven in 2001 and five in 2000. All the cases in 2003 were reported by Groningen, but some of the cases in other years were from other hospitals. "</p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">"There have been several professional studies conducted into Dutch euthanasia practice. Most have reported that approximately 2,700 deaths are caused each year in the Netherlands by either euthanasia or assisted suicide&#8212;approximately 3 percent of all Dutch deaths. Proponents claim this relatively low figure rebuts opponent's fears that euthanasia will become a relatively routine event. Opponents counter that this figure is horrifying: if the same percentage of Americans died with the direct assistance of doctors, it would amount to approximately sixty-eight thousand annual deaths, more than tripling the U.S. suicide rate.</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">Opponents also claim that the number of people actually killed by Dutch doctors is significantly understated in these studies. They note that the term "euthanasia" is very narrowly defined by the Dutch government, with the effect if not the design of undercounting the actual number of euthanasia deaths. If a doctor kills a patient with barbiturates and a curare-like poison at the patient's request, the Dutch classify the death as "euthanasia." <strong>However, if the patient is killed by an intentional overdose of morphine administered with the primary intention of ending the patient's life, it is not considered euthanasia because morphine is a palliative agent. Yet, intentional morphine overdoses may exceed "euthanasia" deaths. In 1990, according to a Dutch government report, 8,100 patients died through the intentional morphine-overdose method of mercy killing.</strong> A latter study found that about 1,500 die annually through the intentional morphine-overdose method of killing. Whatever the actual annual figure, if intentional morphine-overdose deaths are counted as euthanasia, the statistical mercy killing rate in the Netherlands significantly exceeds the published statistics.</span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: left">"</p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">Another disturbing statistic that is found consistently in studies into Dutch euthanasia practices demonstrates to opponents the ultimate danger of euthanasia: approximately one thousand Dutch patients are euthanized each year by their doctors "without request or consent," in other words, involuntary or nonvoluntary euthanasia. Since euthanasia is only supposed to be allowed for people who consistently ask to be killed, the fact of involuntary killing demonstrates the unworkability of guidelines. Proponents counter that the number, while too high, has been relatively constant over several years, thus belying fears of the slippery slope.</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">Pediatric euthanasia has also become a part of Dutch euthanasia practice. Opponents point with alarm to a 1997 study published in the British medical journal <em>The Lancet</em> indicating that about 8 percent of all infants who die in the Netherlands are euthanized&#8212;approximately 80 per year. Pediatric euthanasia, they claim, is a human rights abuse and a proof that guidelines do not protect vulnerable patients."</span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: left">"</p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">In 1999 the Dutch government announced its intention to formally legalize euthanasia. As with anything having to do with euthanasia, the announcement was extremely controversial: the proposed law would <strong>permit the euthanasia of children as young as twelve at the request of the child, even if the parents object.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">Read more: <a href="http://law.jrank.org/pages/1100/Euthanasia-Assisted-Suicide-Euthanasia-in-Netherlands.html#ixzz1Wc9A2CYs" target="_blank">Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide - Euthanasia In The Netherlands - Dutch, Patient, Deaths, Guidelines, Opponents, and Suffering</a> <a href="http://law.jrank.org/pages/1100/Euthanasia-Assisted-Suicide-Euthanasia-in-Netherlands.html#ixzz1Wc9A2CYs" target="_blank">http://law.jrank.org/pages/1100/Euthanasia-Assisted-Suicide-Euthanasia-in-Netherlands.html#ixzz1Wc9A2CYs</a></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">And here is a collection of studies (very good site):</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:12907005" target="_blank">http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:12907005</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AllieBaba2012, post: 58429405"] It is possible to choose a dignified death for yourself, and it doesn't involve requiring somebody else to kill you. But sometimes DEATH ISN'T DIGNIFIED. Killing off people doesn't change that. Kevorkian's methods were NOT dignified and involved dropping a terminally ill woman 2x, once on the sidewalk, and once in the house, as she was on her way to her "dignified" death. I provided more than one link, but here you go: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140053,00.html"]Dutch Hospital Euthanizing Gravely Ill Babies - U.S. & World - FOXNews.com[/URL] "As things are, people are doing this secretly and that's wrong," said Eduard Verhagen, head of Groningen's children's clinic. "In the Netherlands we want to expose everything, to let everything be subjected to vetting." According to the Justice Ministry, four cases of child euthanasia were reported to prosecutors in 2003. Two were reported in 2002, seven in 2001 and five in 2000. All the cases in 2003 were reported by Groningen, but some of the cases in other years were from other hospitals. " [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]"There have been several professional studies conducted into Dutch euthanasia practice. Most have reported that approximately 2,700 deaths are caused each year in the Netherlands by either euthanasia or assisted suicide—approximately 3 percent of all Dutch deaths. Proponents claim this relatively low figure rebuts opponent's fears that euthanasia will become a relatively routine event. Opponents counter that this figure is horrifying: if the same percentage of Americans died with the direct assistance of doctors, it would amount to approximately sixty-eight thousand annual deaths, more than tripling the U.S. suicide rate.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Opponents also claim that the number of people actually killed by Dutch doctors is significantly understated in these studies. They note that the term "euthanasia" is very narrowly defined by the Dutch government, with the effect if not the design of undercounting the actual number of euthanasia deaths. If a doctor kills a patient with barbiturates and a curare-like poison at the patient's request, the Dutch classify the death as "euthanasia." [B]However, if the patient is killed by an intentional overdose of morphine administered with the primary intention of ending the patient's life, it is not considered euthanasia because morphine is a palliative agent. Yet, intentional morphine overdoses may exceed "euthanasia" deaths. In 1990, according to a Dutch government report, 8,100 patients died through the intentional morphine-overdose method of mercy killing.[/B] A latter study found that about 1,500 die annually through the intentional morphine-overdose method of killing. Whatever the actual annual figure, if intentional morphine-overdose deaths are counted as euthanasia, the statistical mercy killing rate in the Netherlands significantly exceeds the published statistics.[/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT]" [COLOR=#000000]Another disturbing statistic that is found consistently in studies into Dutch euthanasia practices demonstrates to opponents the ultimate danger of euthanasia: approximately one thousand Dutch patients are euthanized each year by their doctors "without request or consent," in other words, involuntary or nonvoluntary euthanasia. Since euthanasia is only supposed to be allowed for people who consistently ask to be killed, the fact of involuntary killing demonstrates the unworkability of guidelines. Proponents counter that the number, while too high, has been relatively constant over several years, thus belying fears of the slippery slope.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Pediatric euthanasia has also become a part of Dutch euthanasia practice. Opponents point with alarm to a 1997 study published in the British medical journal [I]The Lancet[/I] indicating that about 8 percent of all infants who die in the Netherlands are euthanized—approximately 80 per year. Pediatric euthanasia, they claim, is a human rights abuse and a proof that guidelines do not protect vulnerable patients."[/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT]" [COLOR=#000000]In 1999 the Dutch government announced its intention to formally legalize euthanasia. As with anything having to do with euthanasia, the announcement was extremely controversial: the proposed law would [B]permit the euthanasia of children as young as twelve at the request of the child, even if the parents object.[/B][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Read more: [URL="http://law.jrank.org/pages/1100/Euthanasia-Assisted-Suicide-Euthanasia-in-Netherlands.html#ixzz1Wc9A2CYs"]Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide - Euthanasia In The Netherlands - Dutch, Patient, Deaths, Guidelines, Opponents, and Suffering[/URL] [URL]http://law.jrank.org/pages/1100/Euthanasia-Assisted-Suicide-Euthanasia-in-Netherlands.html#ixzz1Wc9A2CYs[/URL][/COLOR] And here is a collection of studies (very good site): [URL]http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:12907005[/URL][/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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