Whose words are in Mark 16:16

[Rationalt]

Mark 16:16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damn.

My question is who actually spoke this sentence.Did jesus say so or it is Mark's opinion.

 

[Supreme]

Mark abruptly ends at 16:8; therefore, that verse is from one of the two 'extensions' on the Gospel. My personal opinion is that we cannot really rely on the Gospel past 16:8, as it is not written by Mark but by someone else, who may not have known as much about Jesus as Mark did.

 

[Bro_Sam]

Mark 16:16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damn.

My question is who actually spoke this sentence.Did jesus say so or it is Mark's opinion.

Just for the heck of it, let's say that they're not the words of Jesus. The concept is spoken by Jesus in other places in scripture and is repeated many times throughout scripture by the different Biblical authors.

 

[Rationalt]

The concept is spoken by Jesus in other places in scripture and is repeated many times throughout scripture by the different Biblical authors.

I can see the concept in other places like Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9 and ofcourse there are several references by John.


I am more interested to know where jesus explicitly stated so while he was on earth i.e. before the resurrection.

 

[razeontherock]

Try John 3. The idea of blatant errors or inconsistencies in the Bible is ...laughable.

Us seeing them? It's stuff we need to sort out, in this lifetime! Yes, it can be done.

 

[Bro_Sam]

I am more interested to know where jesus explicitly stated so while he was on earth i.e. before the resurrection.

Out of curiousity, why are you limiting Jesus' words to that one small period?

 

[Rationalt]

Out of curiousity, why are you limiting Jesus' words to that one small period?

Could be my feeling that those sayings heard directly from earthly jesus are more authentic.

 

[Bro_Sam]

Could be my feeling that those sayings heard directly from earthly jesus are more authentic.

Why? If Jesus isn't trustworthy before and after His incarnation, then why is He so trustworthy during His incarnation?

 

[JasperJackson]

Could be my feeling that those sayings heard directly from earthly jesus are more authentic.

As others have said, this section of Mark 16 is not as reliable. But having said that Jesus certainly did do and say a lot of things after his resurrection and before his ascension.

 

[Rationalt]

Why? If Jesus isn't trustworthy before and after His incarnation, then why is He so trustworthy during His incarnation?

It is not about jesus being trustworthy or not but about the reliability of the apostles reporting on what they heard or saw after jesus’s resurrection. Matt 28:16 doesn’t appear to be a firsthand account of Matthew.
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 28:16-20 [/FONT]differs from Matthew 10:5,6 [FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

One gets the feeling that the apostles were reporting as it is what they saw of Jesus’ acts and sayings while jesus was alive(On earth). But the same cannot be said about the later accounts.

 

[razeontherock]

16 doesn’t appear to be a firsthand account of Matthew.
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 28:16-20 [/FONT]differs from Matthew 10:5,6 [FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

You got that from a website. Don't base your faith off someone "sitting in the scorner's seat." If you read those passages for yourself, you'll see your accusation makes no sense.

 

[Harry3142]

We know that The Gospel of Mark existed prior to the Council of Nicea. But we have no idea as to what was written after Mark 16:8, or whether Mark actually wrote anything after that verse. As for the long extension (Mark 16:9-20), I personally suspect that at least part, if not all, of that portion of Scripture was only added in the 4th century at the earliest.

 

[Rationalt]

Thanks to Supreme, Jasper and Harry for the replies.

@raze, it was just a passing observation i dont remember reading about somebody's opinion on this matter.

 

[solarwave]

Mark 16:16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damn.

My question is who actually spoke this sentence.Did jesus say so or it is Mark's opinion.

It was the writer who wrote it, not Jesus.

This doesn't mean that it can't teach us because we must look beyond what it obvious to the deeper meaning. Currently I am in the shallow so I don't speak as one who full understands the meaning but as one who is trying to understand the world in its fullest amount.

It must also be asked what it means to believe. Mind belief, heart belief, something else? I swing towards the second.

 

[razeontherock]

Ok then, you want to assert this is your personal observation:

Matthew 28:16-20 differs from Matthew 10:5,6

Spill your point.

 

[food4thought]

This same teaching is found in different words here, along with a more accurate teaching on what we must believe:

Joh 3:16-21 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (17) "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. (18) "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (19) "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. (20) "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. (21) "But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."


During his earthly ministry.