Whose Side Are You On? The Sabbath Truth

[Cribstyl]

I have to give you credit, you are trying so hard to do away with something that God has not done away with.

How do you get doing away with the Sabbath out of, "I desire mercy and not sacrifice".

The issue was human needs over ritualistically keeping the Sabbath.

Remember, the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.
If you're hungry or in need medical care it's not a violation of the Sabbath.
Jesus even pointed them to the Old Testament to show them how this was an Old Testament prinicle as well.
This is why Jesus said, "If you would have known" which is pointing them back to the Old Testament.
And remember, in the Old Testament, if you violated the Sabbath you were put to death unless what you were doing was a necessary human need.

Do more studying and less resisting and God will bless you.

You've got it all twisted. You're the one saying what I've done away with not me. You dont study, you make stuff up.
Hello?? The Sabbath is a ritualistic sacrifice officiated by priests.
All your comments are questionable.
The word of God is truth. I'm bored and tired of chasing your abuse of the scriptures.

 

[k4c]

You've got it all twisted. You're the one saying what I've done away with not me. You dont study, you make stuff up.
Hello?? The Sabbath is a ritualistic sacrifice officiated by priests.
All your comments are questionable.
The word of God is truth. I'm bored and tired of chasing your abuse of the scriptures.

The Sabbath is not a ritual sacrifice but it can be kept in a ritualistic manner. When we do someting in a ritualistic manner the act becomes more important than the reason. When this happens we tend to disregard more important things like necessary needs pertaining to life, which is not someting God intended for the Sabbath Day.

 

[Avonia]

which is not someting God intended for the Sabbath Day.

Speaking for God's intentions? Wow.

 

[Servant of the Lord]

Speaking for God's intentions? Wow.

..God's intentions concerning the Sabbath are clear. Whether those intentions agree with your own is a different matter. We must always strive to live for Him and according to His will.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

 

[k4c]

Speaking for God's intentions? Wow.

If you take some time and read the Bible you will learn what God's intention was for the seventh day. The seventh day is a blessed day. It's a holy day. It's a sanctified day. These are all very powerful words that God used to describe the seventh day.

When God calls something holy, sanctified and blessed, His people should take notice. When God takes that holy, sanctifed and blessed day and protects it by Law His people should especially take notice. When our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ declares that He is Lord of the seventh day we should honor it as the Lord's Day and set it aside for sacred assembly.

Leviticus 23:3 "For six days work may be done; but the seventh day is the Sabbath rest, a day for sacred assembly, on which you shall do no work. The sabbath shall belong to the LORD wherever you dwell.

What more do you need?

 

[Cribstyl]

If you take some time and read the Bible you will learn what God's intention was for the seventh day. The seventh day is a blessed day. It's a holy day. It's a sanctified day. These are all very powerful words that God used to describe the seventh day.

When God calls something holy, sanctified and blessed, His people should take notice. When God takes that holy, sanctifed and blessed day and protects it by Law His people should especially take notice. When our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ declares that He is Lord of the seventh day we should honor it as the Lord's Day and set it aside for sacred assembly.

Leviticus 23:3 "For six days work may be done; but the seventh day is the Sabbath rest, a day for sacred assembly, on which you shall do no work. The sabbath shall belong to the LORD wherever you dwell.

What more do you need?

If that's the gospel, I'll be a uncle's monkey.

 

[k4c]

If that's the gospel, I'll be a uncle's monkey.

I take it you don't believe in spiritual growth, obedience, accountatbility and walking worthy of your calling after the Gospel?

 

[Cribstyl]

I take it you don't believe in spiritual growth, obedience, accountatbility and walking worthy of your calling after the Gospel?

After the Gospel? Dude,there is no calling after the Gospel.
We should be grounded and settled in the gospel.
Obdience is to the Gospel.
We're to live by faith.

Col 1:23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


2Th 1:8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


Phl 1:27Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

 

[k4c]

After the Gospel? Dude,there is no calling after the Gospel.
We should be grounded and settled in the gospel.
Obdience is to the Gospel.
We're to live by faith.

Col 1:23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

2Th 1:8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Phl 1:27Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

Amen, Jesus died for our sins. Do you know what that means? It means our sins have been forgiven in Christ. This does not mean we can continue to live in sin. This means we must walk worthy of this great gift of salvation. Let us not neglect such a great gift.

Hebrews 2:1-3 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him.

Let us live a life worthy of God.

1 Thessalonians 2:11-12 As you know, we treated every one of you as a father treats his children, urging you, encouraging you and appealing to you to live a life worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and his glory.

Let us walk worthy of His calling.

2 Thessalonians 1:11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power.

There is so much more but I'm sure you will refute it with your half baked truths.

Can you answer me this question?

Do you believe in spiritual growth, obedience, accountatbility and walking worthy of your calling after the Gospel?

 

[ImperialJohn]

The fourth commandment is quite clear, we are to keep the biblical Sabbath holy and sanctify it. This applies to all people and all nations not just the Jews or Israelites. The Samarians and many other peoples used to always keep the Biblical Sabbath too not just Israelites. There was never any debate about which day to keep holy in these times that's why it was never mentioned that much.

If we are meant to be followers of Christ then we must try and do as he did. Jesus was Jewish and kept Sabbath.

Also recall the words of Jesus himself in Luke and also Matthew below:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5 (ESV)

Here Jesus is quite specifically saying that he has not come to do away with the law or the prophets and that the law shall stand until this present Earth and Universe disappear and “all” has been accomplished. “All” is a pretty big word and there can be no mistake about what the Messiah meant with this plain statement of fact. Heaven and Earth are still here!

God’s day of rest the Sabbath has never changed, it has always remained the same and occurred from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

I believe it is highly important that as a Christian I follow the bible, commandments, and teachings of Jesus. The fourth commandment of the bible is to remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it. Jesus and his disciples and the early church after the cross, kept the correct day of rest the Sabbath day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Mark 7:7-9 shows that many even go so far as to worship Christ, and all in vain because they do not obey God’s commandments especially the Sabbath but follow the traditions of men by which Satan has deceived the whole world.

Sunday worship is not called for anywhere in the Bible. Sunday worship is Church doctrine not what Jesus said or practiced during his life. Christians are commanded to keep the Sabbath day holy (the biblical Sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) as kept by Jesus and his apostles during their lifetimes, and the early new covenant church, not any other day. Sunday worship is a false custom. Keeping the Sabbath holy is the true custom of Christ and his followers and is Gods Holy day of rest for all nations and all people who believe in him.

What Jesus said was quite clear, that we must keep the Commandments, that he had not come to abolish them and that unless we obey and keep the Tanakh [Old Testament] and Commandments to a level equal to the priests and teachers of the Law "The Pharisees" then we would not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He also confirmed that anyone who breaks the least of the Commandments and teaches others to do the same would be called "least" in the Kingdom of Heaven, and that's providing they get there in the first place. This was only if they broke the least of the Commandments!

I believe it does matter which day, that it is highly important and significant that I keep the Sabbath Day holy (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), the fourth commandment of the bible as kept and commanded by Jesus, from ancient times, for all times to come, until Heaven and Earth disappear.

See Exodus 20:8-11

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. Luke 4:16

Here it tells us that this was the custom of Jesus. You may say that we are in a different age today and that our custom is not to keep this particular day, and you can argue about that however you want to, but your Bible tells us that with Jesus as our example, we are to follow his example and do what he did by following his way and teachings, and the evidence here in your Bible is that Jesus kept the Sabbath day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset and it was his custom to go and worship G-d on that day. This is another reason why I keep the biblical Sabbath day.

We know Jesus died for us, but some say that this all changed when he died.

"Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes." Luke 23:56

Here the women are preparing spices and perfume to put on Jesus body. Remember here that Jesus has died.

"But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment." Luke 23:56

You have to remember that the writer of this book wrote many years after Jesus died, but he is pointing out the Sabbath command right here. And these women who were taught by Jesus while he was alive, they have no new understanding about the Sabbath day.

You can even find more evidence in the Book of Acts that details the beginning of the New Testament Christian Church. Here in the Book of Acts you can get a look at what they were doing in that New Testament Church after Jesus' death.

"As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures" Acts 17:2

Paul one of the Apostles is continuing to go into the Synagogue on the Sabbath and preach about G-d and about the Scriptures. There doesn't appear to be any break in the Sabbath in the Bible! The Sabbath continues on and on throughout the pages of your Bible without any major change occurring.

"Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." Acts 18:4

The interesting thing about this is that there are some Greeks on the scene here. Paul was in Greece at this time and there may have been Jewish synagogues in Greece, but why were these Greeks going to a Jewish synagogue? Why were they not in a church or something else worshipping G-d, worshipping Christ? It seems like the Greeks are following the Jewish lead here in the keeping of the Sabbath day and going and worshipping G-d on that same day!

The Early Christian Church continued to keep the Biblical Sabbath. But slowly over time when you get into the later part of the first century of Christianity you find some Christians moving away from the Sabbath to a Sunday observance. Some of the reasoning behind it had to do with the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem when the Romans came down hard on them. Many of the Christians who were also observing the Sabbath and holy days were also being persecuted because they worshipped in a similar manner to the Jews of that time. And some of them began to move away from the Sabbath because they were not crazy about being persecuted. Did G-d ever ask you to move away from this Sabbath day? Did Jesus ever say to move away from his Sabbath day? No! Absolutely not. Men said lets move away from the Sabbath and go to Sunday.

Throughout history there have been Christians who have continued to keep the correct day the Sabbath day and there continues to be today.

Below I am quoting to you from Isaiah 66. You might not be convinced by me quoting from the Old Testament but you must realise that when the Apostles and writers of the New Testament were quoting the scriptures the only thing they were quoting from was the Old Testament.

"As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD." Isaiah 66

Understand the context here, the context of that is the End Times! This is the Kingdom of G-d being set up, and he says that people are going to worship him on his Sabbath Day! What Sabbath is that? It's the Biblical Sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset; there is absolutely no doubt about it. You see this at the beginning of your bible, you see it with Moses, you see it with Jesus, you see it with the Apostles, the early first century church, and we also see it in the future Kingdom! The Sabbath matters it is the specific day that G-d wants us to observe his rest. So why not do it?

"There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." Hebrews 4:9-11 (New Testament!)

So once again it goes back to G-d’s rest after creation. It is a memorial of that rest. It is a memorial every week for us to remember G-d and what he has done for us. The awesome creation that he has created. Here in the New Testament scripture clearly shows that the Sabbath is for all who believe in G-d and that we should make every effort to keep Sabbath so that "no one" will fall by following example of disobedience "by not keeping Sabbath" and the commandments of G-d.

A final question, why did G-d take six days to do his creation work and then rest on the seventh when he could have created everything in the blink of an eye? Throughout the Bible there are a lot of things with double meanings. Something that is literal and applies at that time is also a foreshadowing of a future event to take place or has a double meaning. Abraham with his son Isaac was a foreshadowing of what would happen on the cross. I believe that G-d took the six days and rested on the seventh for a specific reason. It was to signify the time we have on this Earth. The Six days represent six thousands years we are cut off from G-d with the seventh representing the millennial reign of Christ and the thousand years of peace when there will be no suffering.


Source:
The Bible
http://www.cgi.org/booklets-brochures/the-questions-answers-book/qa-the-sabbath-holy-days/
Mike James "Why keep Sabbath" CGI Video

 

[k4c]

The fourth commandment is quite clear, we are to keep the biblical Sabbath holy and sanctify it. This applies to all people and all nations not just the Jews or Israelites. The Samarians and many other peoples used to always keep the Biblical Sabbath too not just Israelites. There was never any debate about which day to keep holy in these times that's why it was never mentioned that much.

If we are meant to be followers of Christ then we must try and do as he did. Jesus was Jewish and kept Sabbath.

Also recall the words of Jesus himself in Luke and also Matthew below:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5 (ESV)

Here Jesus is quite specifically saying that he has not come to do away with the law or the prophets and that the law shall stand until this present Earth and Universe disappear and “all” has been accomplished. “All” is a pretty big word and there can be no mistake about what the Messiah meant with this plain statement of fact. Heaven and Earth are still here!

God’s day of rest the Sabbath has never changed, it has always remained the same and occurred from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

I believe it is highly important that as a Christian I follow the bible, commandments, and teachings of Jesus. The fourth commandment of the bible is to remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it. Jesus and his disciples and the early church after the cross, kept the correct day of rest the Sabbath day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Mark 7:7-9 shows that many even go so far as to worship Christ, and all in vain because they do not obey God’s commandments especially the Sabbath but follow the traditions of men by which Satan has deceived the whole world.

Sunday worship is not called for anywhere in the Bible. Sunday worship is Church doctrine not what Jesus said or practiced during his life. Christians are commanded to keep the Sabbath day holy (the biblical Sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) as kept by Jesus and his apostles during their lifetimes, and the early new covenant church, not any other day. Sunday worship is a false custom. Keeping the Sabbath holy is the true custom of Christ and his followers and is Gods Holy day of rest for all nations and all people who believe in him.

What Jesus said was quite clear, that we must keep the Commandments, that he had not come to abolish them and that unless we obey and keep the Tanakh [Old Testament] and Commandments to a level equal to the priests and teachers of the Law "The Pharisees" then we would not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He also confirmed that anyone who breaks the least of the Commandments and teaches others to do the same would be called "least" in the Kingdom of Heaven, and that's providing they get there in the first place. This was only if they broke the least of the Commandments!

I believe it does matter which day, that it is highly important and significant that I keep the Sabbath Day holy (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), the fourth commandment of the bible as kept and commanded by Jesus, from ancient times, for all times to come, until Heaven and Earth disappear.

See Exodus 20:8-11

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. Luke 4:16

Here it tells us that this was the custom of Jesus. You may say that we are in a different age today and that our custom is not to keep this particular day, and you can argue about that however you want to, but your Bible tells us that with Jesus as our example, we are to follow his example and do what he did by following his way and teachings, and the evidence here in your Bible is that Jesus kept the Sabbath day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset and it was his custom to go and worship G-d on that day. This is another reason why I keep the biblical Sabbath day.

We know Jesus died for us, but some say that this all changed when he died.

"Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes." Luke 23:56

Here the women are preparing spices and perfume to put on Jesus body. Remember here that Jesus has died.

"But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment." Luke 23:56

You have to remember that the writer of this book wrote many years after Jesus died, but he is pointing out the Sabbath command right here. And these women who were taught by Jesus while he was alive, they have no new understanding about the Sabbath day.

You can even find more evidence in the Book of Acts that details the beginning of the New Testament Christian Church. Here in the Book of Acts you can get a look at what they were doing in that New Testament Church after Jesus' death.

"As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures" Acts 17:2

Paul one of the Apostles is continuing to go into the Synagogue on the Sabbath and preach about G-d and about the Scriptures. There doesn't appear to be any break in the Sabbath in the Bible! The Sabbath continues on and on throughout the pages of your Bible without any major change occurring.

"Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." Acts 18:4

The interesting thing about this is that there are some Greeks on the scene here. Paul was in Greece at this time and there may have been Jewish synagogues in Greece, but why were these Greeks going to a Jewish synagogue? Why were they not in a church or something else worshipping G-d, worshipping Christ? It seems like the Greeks are following the Jewish lead here in the keeping of the Sabbath day and going and worshipping G-d on that same day!

The Early Christian Church continued to keep the Biblical Sabbath. But slowly over time when you get into the later part of the first century of Christianity you find some Christians moving away from the Sabbath to a Sunday observance. Some of the reasoning behind it had to do with the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem when the Romans came down hard on them. Many of the Christians who were also observing the Sabbath and holy days were also being persecuted because they worshipped in a similar manner to the Jews of that time. And some of them began to move away from the Sabbath because they were not crazy about being persecuted. Did G-d ever ask you to move away from this Sabbath day? Did Jesus ever say to move away from his Sabbath day? No! Absolutely not. Men said lets move away from the Sabbath and go to Sunday.

Throughout history there have been Christians who have continued to keep the correct day the Sabbath day and there continues to be today.

Below I am quoting to you from Isaiah 66. You might not be convinced by me quoting from the Old Testament but you must realise that when the Apostles and writers of the New Testament were quoting the scriptures the only thing they were quoting from was the Old Testament.

"As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD." Isaiah 66

Understand the context here, the context of that is the End Times! This is the Kingdom of G-d being set up, and he says that people are going to worship him on his Sabbath Day! What Sabbath is that? It's the Biblical Sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset; there is absolutely no doubt about it. You see this at the beginning of your bible, you see it with Moses, you see it with Jesus, you see it with the Apostles, the early first century church, and we also see it in the future Kingdom! The Sabbath matters it is the specific day that G-d wants us to observe his rest. So why not do it?

"There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." Hebrews 4:9-11 (New Testament!)

So once again it goes back to G-d’s rest after creation. It is a memorial of that rest. It is a memorial every week for us to remember G-d and what he has done for us. The awesome creation that he has created. Here in the New Testament scripture clearly shows that the Sabbath is for all who believe in G-d and that we should make every effort to keep Sabbath so that "no one" will fall by following example of disobedience "by not keeping Sabbath" and the commandments of G-d.

A final question, why did G-d take six days to do his creation work and then rest on the seventh when he could have created everything in the blink of an eye? Throughout the Bible there are a lot of things with double meanings. Something that is literal and applies at that time is also a foreshadowing of a future event to take place or has a double meaning. Abraham with his son Isaac was a foreshadowing of what would happen on the cross. I believe that G-d took the six days and rested on the seventh for a specific reason. It was to signify the time we have on this Earth. The Six days represent six thousands years we are cut off from G-d with the seventh representing the millennial reign of Christ and the thousand years of peace when there will be no suffering.


Source:
The Bible
http://www.cgi.org/booklets-brochures/the-questions-answers-book/qa-the-sabbath-holy-days/
Mike James "Why keep Sabbath" CGI Video

Nice reply... There is not much to say after that.

 

[Cribstyl]

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

Amen, Jesus died for our sins. Do you know what that means? It means our sins have been forgiven in Christ. This does not mean we can continue to live in sin. This means we must walk worthy of this great gift of salvation. Let us not neglect such a great gift.

Amen too, I'm in agreement with what you've said above, until you add sabbathkeeping by commentary to what Paul lists as the gospel.

Hebrews 2:1-3 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him.

Let us live a life worthy of God.

Yes,Good counsel, but dont add the Law given to Moses, because Jesus was the first to speak about concerning this great salvation.

1 Thessalonians 2:11-12 As you know, we treated every one of you as a father treats his children, urging you, encouraging you and appealing to you to live a life worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and his glory.

Let us walk worthy of His calling.

Agreed

2 Thessalonians 1:11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power.

There is so much more but I'm sure you will refute it with your half baked truths.

For the first time, you've limit your comments to the text you've posted. I have no reason to reject what God's word declares.
I'll ignor your baiting remarks.
[/quote] Can you answer me this question?

Do you believe in spiritual growth, obedience, accountatbility and walking worthy of your calling after the Gospel?[/quote] Yes.....

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Why is the Sabbath so important? Because Prophecy tells us many will be deceived by men and the lies of the devil through the Roman Catholic Church.

You seem to be concerned that something bad will happen to those who don't understand the importance of the sabbath. What is the danger that you sense?

Should we be shocked that men misunderstand? I don't think so. After all, Paul confirmed that all of us have misunderstood. What happens to those who misunderstand? Are they cast into the lake of fire for their lack of understanding?

BFA

 

[Servant of the Lord]

BFA,

Hi. So yeah, being "concerned" that people don't understand God's Commandments is putting it quite lightly. It's an issue of eternal importance. The dangers of persisting to exalt a man made tradition over the law of God will have consequences.

(Psalms 111:7-8) The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand forever and ever: and are done in truth and uprightness.

(Romans 3:31) Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


As for men burning for having a "lack of understanding". The Bible is extremely clear about the importance of God's commandments, and their eternal nature. Men will have no excuse for rejecting truth.

Jesus tells us:

(Matthew 24:14) And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.



And to drive the point further,


(Hosea 4:6)
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.

SotL

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Hi. So yeah, being "concerned" that people don't understand God's Commandments is putting it quite lightly. It's an issue of eternal importance.

Will God's commandments have some bearing on a man's salvation (either now or in the future)? Your reference to "eternal importance" seems to imply that.

The dangers of persisting to exalt a man made tradition over the law of God will have consequences.

What are these consequences? Is Heaven at stake?

As for men burning for having a "lack of understanding". The Bible is extremely clear about the importance of God's commandments, and their eternal nature. Men will have no excuse for rejecting truth.

Does a man's salvation hinge on his ability to pass a theology exam?

What is salvation based on?

BFA

 

[Servant of the Lord]

>Will God's commandments have some bearing on a man's salvation (either now or in the future)? Your reference to "eternal importance" seems to imply that.

How can you still be uncertain on an issue that is so clear? God's law is important to Him!


Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12) NKJV

"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments" (1 John 2:3) NKVJ

Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:22-23) NKJV


>What are these consequences? Is Heaven at stake?


But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8) NKJV

Let's take a look at some of the character traits of the wicked. Murderers, coveters, idolaters, liars...

BFA, It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a theology professor to show us that the wicked rejected God's Law.


> What is salvation based on?


Study the Sanctuary. It is God's method of salvation.

"Your way, O God, is in the sanctuary; who is so great a God as our God?" (Psalm 77:13)

For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:3-4)



BFA, In fairness, allow me now to ask you two questions:

1.) How does a man with faith in God prove his faith?

2.) Does our faith in Jesus Christ allow us to continue to live in sin? Are we therefore "at liberty" to murder, steal, dishonor our parents, or commit adultery?


God Bless,

SotL

 

[Byfaithalone1]

1.) How does a man with faith in God prove his faith?

Faith is a gift of God. I've found nothing to indicate that it must be proven.

2.) Does our faith in Jesus Christ allow us to continue to live in sin?

All sin. There is no truth in the man who claims to be without sin.

Are we therefore "at liberty" to murder, steal, dishonor our parents, or commit adultery?

Any man who is guilty in one point is guilty in all points. All of us are guilty of the things you've listed above. If we claim that we are not, there is no truth in us.

You seem to have adopted another gospel. It is a gospel that rejects the following:

A man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

17"But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be!
18"For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
1You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?

2This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
4Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
5So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
6Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
7Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.
8The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."
9So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
10For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM."
11Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
12However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--
14in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.

16Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ.
17What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.
18For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
19Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.
20Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one.
21Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law.
22But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
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BFA

 

[Cribstyl]

The examination would probably be on what God is preaching and teaching to our generation, not what those who doubt Him was saying and commanding.

To our generation God is saying;
Luk 16:16The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.


1Cr 1:18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.



To those who were under the law God had said;
Isa 8:20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.


Luk 16:29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

Act 15:21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

 

[Servant of the Lord]

>Faith is a gift of God.

Faith is indeed a gift from God. But a faith without works is a dead faith. You seem to be stuck in 1st gear. Do you not understand Sanctification? If your faith is genuine will it not manifest itself?

[FONT=&quot]"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? . . . And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). [/FONT]

Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matthew 7:19) NKJV


BFA, Do not even the fallen angels believe in God? Will they be saved?


>I've found nothing to indicate that it must be proven.

You have found nothing to indicate that faith must be proven? I find that hard to believe; the Bible is riddled with examples of it.

20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Do you understand what James' is saying here? We are not justified by a dead faith. We are justified by a faith that bears fruit. Abraham's faith was made manifest in his obedience to God, and therefore accounted to him for righteousness.

BFA, Justification comes first. But the journey does not end there. True love of Christ will manifest itself, and this is why the Lord has said, "If you love me, Keep my Commandments." (John 14:15)

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.” (John 14:21)


>All sin. There is no truth in the man who claims to be without sin.

You dodged my question! Yes, we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. My question was, Does our faith in Jesus Christ allow us to continue to live in sin (lawlessness)?


>Any man who is guilty in one point is guilty in all points. All of us are guilty of the things you've listed above. If we claim that we are not, there is no truth in us.

Correct. However, there is an expectation of God to overcome sin through His Son! Jesus not only took the penalty for our sins (for the wages of sin is death) but he gave us the POWER to overcome sin! ("I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.")

Take a look my friend,

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. (Revelation 3:21)

who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. (Titus 2:14)



>You seem to have adopted another gospel. It is a gospel that rejects the following:

A man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, (Galatians 2:16)

The problem is your faith is based on a diluted gospel. So why did you stop reading at verse 16? Keep going..



17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”


So it is no longer I, but Christ who lives in me. If we are new creatures, will we not forsake sin?


Again, I cannot overstate the importance of Paul's point, a verse you continue to ignore.

Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31)


Let's take a look at the definition of the word "establish".


[FONT=&quot]es·tab·lish[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]–verb (used with object) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]to found, institute, build, or bring into being on a firm or stable basis: to establish a university; to establish a Medical practice. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]to install or settle in a position, place, business, etc.: to establish one's child in business. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]to show to be valid or true; prove: to establish the facts of the matter.



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[Byfaithalone1]

When I asked you "what is salvation based on," you replied:

Study the Sanctuary. It is God's method of salvation.
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What does this mean? Please explain further.

BFA