Whodunnit?

Ethan_Fetch · Apr 20, 2006

So, Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday, and the first day of the week the disciples met on to break bread and worship was Saturday too (Acts 20:7)?

Trento · Apr 20, 2006

Redwolf said:
There's nothing in his Bible, either.

John 16:12-13, "Many things yet I have to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. BUT WHEN HE, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, HAS COME HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THE TRUTH. FOR HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY, BUT WHATEVER HE WILL HEAR HE WILL SPEAK, AND THE THINGS THAT ARE TO COME HE WILL DECLARE TO YOU."

Everything is NOT in the Bible, and that understanding and discernment by the Church will increase over time.

CaliforniaJosiah · Apr 20, 2006

Where is the biblical witness that we must publicly worship on Saturday? I'm not aware of any such law - of any nature, in either testament.

GraceInHim · Apr 20, 2006

Roman Catholic/Protestant Confessions
about Sunday as Day of Worship and Rest

Written by: The Bible Sabbath Association

Redwolf · Apr 20, 2006

Ethan_Fetch said:
So, Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday, and the first day of the week the disciples met on to break bread and worship was Saturday too (Acts 20:7)?

Who donnit?

Lutheran

The Sunday Problem, a study book of the United Lutheran Church (1923), p. 36.

"We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both."

Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. (1 91 1), p. 63.

"They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!"

Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church Henry John Rose, tr. (1843), p. 186.

"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday."

John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday, pp. 15, 16.
"But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect.

Redwolf · Apr 20, 2006

Trento said:
John 16:12-13, "Many things yet I have to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. BUT WHEN HE, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, HAS COME HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THE TRUTH. FOR HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY, BUT WHATEVER HE WILL HEAR HE WILL SPEAK, AND THE THINGS THAT ARE TO COME HE WILL DECLARE TO YOU."

Everything is NOT in the Bible, and that understanding and discernment by the Church will increase over time.

Indeed!
That does, of course, negate the confession in the opening post.

Redwolf · Apr 20, 2006

CaliforniaJosiah said:
Where is the biblical witness that we must publicly worship on Saturday? I'm not aware of any such law - of any nature, in either testament.

The opening post contains a confession.
That's all.

GraceInHim · Apr 20, 2006

and.. the site that has posted it refers to who it is written by; what I placed; which us at the bottom of the site.. I do not think anything is wrong with this.. peace

Redwolf · Apr 20, 2006

GraceInHim said:
and.. the site that has posted it refers to who it is written by; what I placed; which us at the bottom of the site.. I do not think anything is wrong with this.. peace

Pardon me?

tall73 · Apr 20, 2006

RedWolf,

It is unclear what you hope to achieve here. Are you trying to get protestants to see their error by affirming the right of the Cathlolic church? Are you trying to say that Catholics don't really have that right?

Redwolf · Apr 21, 2006

tall73 said:
RedWolf,

It is unclear what you hope to achieve here. Are you trying to get protestants to see their error by affirming the right of the Cathlolic church? Are you trying to say that Catholics don't really have that right?

Protestants and Catholics have the right to do anything they wish. This much is clear from the material posted on the Sabbath Day issue. They do whatever they wish. Some more than others.
I believe believing Christians want to know. Don't you?

Windmill · Apr 21, 2006

tall73 said:
RedWolf,

It is unclear what you hope to achieve here. Are you trying to get protestants to see their error by affirming the right of the Cathlolic church? Are you trying to say that Catholics don't really have that right?

I agree.

I have a feeling this is just another thread to do with the sabbath issue, and he was hoping to get some sort of discussion to prove that going to church on Sunday is wrong and not observing the seventh day sabbath is wrong. Why don't we just sticky one? It has to be the biggest subject matter in this forum

Redwolf · Apr 21, 2006

Windmill said:
I agree.

I have a feeling this is just another thread to do with the sabbath issue, and he was hoping to get some sort of discussion to prove that going to church on Sunday is wrong and not observing the seventh day sabbath is wrong. Why don't we just sticky one? It has to be the biggest subject matter in this forum

Your feeling about the thread being about the Sabbath is correct. You are also correct that not observing the fourth commandment is wrong.
The material in the OP is explicit.
However, going to church on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday is as good as it gets. Keeping the Sabbath Day holy is not about going to church, it is about keeping the Sabbath Day holy.

Windmill · Apr 21, 2006

Redwolf said:
Your feeling about the thread being about the Sabbath is correct. You are also correct that not observing the fourth commandment is wrong.
The material in the OP is explicit.
However, going to church on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday is as good as it gets. Keeping the Sabbath Day holy is not about going to church, it is about keeping the Sabbath Day holy.

Yes well, that is most certainly a debateable issue.

Windmill · Apr 21, 2006

Ethan_Fetch said:
So, Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday, and the first day of the week the disciples met on to break bread and worship was Saturday too (Acts 20:7)?

And God told us to keep the first day holy.

I fail to see your point.

The disciples came and broke bread and worshiped.... every day. There was only one day though (usually) that they went to the synogoge and debated with the priests

Also, yes.. Jesus rested and observed the sabbath day in the grave. Your point is?

Redwolf · Apr 21, 2006

Windmill said:
Yes well, that is most certainly a debateable issue.

You are not debating me on this issue, you are debating God. It is He you challenge, since it is His commandment.

Ethan_Fetch · Apr 21, 2006

1. Christ is my Sabbath rest, so I have not done away with the commandment.

2. Neither I, nor my church, consider Sunday to be "the Christian Sabbath". This is the gist of Mueller's point in the quote Redwolf provided.

Jipsah · Apr 21, 2006

Beating a dead horse must be pretty doggone entertaining.

Sure the Sabbath is on Saturday. If you don't believe me, check the service schedule at your local synagogue.

But I'm not a Jew, I don't go to the synagogue, and I'm not commanded to observe the Jewish sabbath. I "esteem every day alike". My church meets on Sunday, so that's when I go.

Goodbye.

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