Who Would You Pick to Replace Biden?

[Goonie]

Otto.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Who authorized you to speak on behalf of tens of millions of voters?

Republicans are not allowed to ask questions. C’mon man….. be quiet.

What do you mean we’ll never know? I’m asking you who it was in the Democratic primaries that you weren’t allowed to vote for?

Kamala Harris for President.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Kamala Harris for President.

She was not a challenger to the president and I don’t think either of you were planning on voting for her anyway so what’s the concern?

 

[Always in His Presence]

She was not a challenger to the president and I don’t think either of you were planning on voting for her anyway so what’s the concern?

Someone with less than one percent support in her bid for the presidency was just gifted the top candidate position for the presidency.

And there will be no open convention.

 

[BCP1928]

And there will be no open convention.

I assume that's a threat of violent force. Because that's the only way you will be able to stop it.

 

[A2SG]

Someone with less than one percent support in her bid for the presidency was just gifted the top candidate position for the presidency.

And there will be no open convention.

Still did better than Gerald Ford.

-- A2SG, she at least ran as Biden's running mate....

 

[BCP1928]

Yep. I left the R party because I stayed right, and they moved left on a lot of issues. Well, really it's because I just see them as one wing of the uniparty. The only reason I bring that up is that I don't know anyone who is calling Harris a stolen nomination. It appears to be by the rules.

But the Bernie one, OTOH...

Legacy just did. Maybe you could ask him why.

 

[probinson]

Unfortunately, Obama's time machine was in the shop, so...

Why are you pretending like Biden didn't have cognitive issues before now? The WSJ recently posted this article that says:

In 30 minutes of remarks on Capitol Hill, Biden had spoken disjointedly and failed to make a concrete ask of lawmakers, according to Democrats in the room. After he left, a visibly frustrated Pelosi told the group she would articulate what Biden had been trying to say, one lawmaker said. ​

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“It was the first time I remember people pretty jarred by what they had seen,” recalled Rep. Dean Phillips (D., Minn.), who would go on to mount an unsuccessful primary challenge against the president.​

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That was October 2021. That month was the last time Biden met with the House Democratic caucus on the Hill regarding legislation.​

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https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/joe-biden-age-condition-before-election-drop-out-c9fc46ef

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This isn't circumventing anything. Had Biden died instead, we'd be in the exact same place we're in now.

But he didn't die. He was forced out by his party. That's not remotely the same thing.

There are procedures in place for stuff like this, candidates have dropped out of the race before (granted, earlier in the process, but still) and that's how democracy works in the real world. It's not ideal, granted, but we deal with it.

There's no getting around the fact that the primary process for Democrats this year was completely meaningless.

And don't pretend if it had been Trump who stepped down instead of Biden, you still would be calling it "circumventing democracy."

Oh, I absolutely would be saying the exact same things.

 

[wing2000]

The right time for Biden to "decide he was unable to run" was BEFORE the primaries so that the voters could select their candidate.

It's great that you're fine with whoever the Democrats choose to serve up to you. But stop pretending like you're concerned about democracy when you're OK with circumventing the process at all costs to win.

I sugggest you stop the pretense of not understanding how a party nominates a candidate.
Yes, Biden should have decided earlier.
He didn't.
Move on and stop with this silly argument.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Someone with less than one percent support in her bid for the presidency was just gifted the top candidate position for the presidency.

You mean the Vice President of the United States?

And there will be no open convention.

That’s ok with me. Why is it a concern for you?

 

[A2SG]

Why are you pretending like Biden didn't have cognitive issues before now? The WSJ recently posted this article that says:

In 30 minutes of remarks on Capitol Hill, Biden had spoken disjointedly and failed to make a concrete ask of lawmakers, according to Democrats in the room. After he left, a visibly frustrated Pelosi told the group she would articulate what Biden had been trying to say, one lawmaker said. ​

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“It was the first time I remember people pretty jarred by what they had seen,” recalled Rep. Dean Phillips (D., Minn.), who would go on to mount an unsuccessful primary challenge against the president.​

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That was October 2021. That month was the last time Biden met with the House Democratic caucus on the Hill regarding legislation.​

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https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/joe-biden-age-condition-before-election-drop-out-c9fc46ef

But he didn't drop out at that time, so he can't go back in time and change that.

But he didn't die. He was forced out by his party. That's not remotely the same thing.

The 25th Amendment wasn't invoked. Biden chose to step down himself. Whether or not he was encouraged to do so doesn't mean he was forced against his will.

He probably legitimately thought he could do another term, and just needed to be convinced otherwise.

Haven't you ever thought you could do something, only to find out you couldn't?

There's no getting around the fact that the primary process for Democrats this year was completely meaningless.

Not really. Most democrats chose Joe Biden, with Kamala Harris as his replacement, should something happen.

Something happened.

Oh, I absolutely would be saying the exact same things.

How do you feel about Gerald Ford? What should the GOP have done back then, when Agnew and then Nixon resigned?

-- A2SG, another trip in the Wayback Machine, Mr Peabody?

 

[BCP1928]

I don't see Legacy as "the right".

I would replace "the right" with "some guy on the internet". That's how I see us all, including me.

Some guy on the internet. Yeah, I like that better, too. Some guy on the internet who punches hard right political opinions.

 

[DaisyDay]

Yep. I left the R party because I stayed right, and they moved left on a lot of issues. Well, really it's because I just see them as one wing of the uniparty. The only reason I bring that up is that I don't know anyone who is calling Harris a stolen nomination. It appears to be by the rules.

Legacy just did. Maybe you could ask him why.

I don't see Legacy as "the right".

I would replace "the right" with "some guy on the internet". That's how I see us all, including me.

You said you didn't know anyone who is calling Harris a stolen nomination. So why are you dissing Legacy as not being "the right" when no one said he was? Weird goalpost moving.

 

[probinson]

But he didn't drop out at that time, so he can't go back in time and change that.

Correct. Then there would have been a fair and honest primary. But apparently, Democrats don't care about the primary season. I suggest you just toss it in the trash from now and let the Democrat elites tell you who's running. As long as it's not Trump, amirite?!

The 25th Amendment wasn't invoked. Biden chose to step down himself. Whether or not he was encouraged to do so doesn't mean he was forced against his will.

"Encouraged"? You really do have a way with downplaying the force that was applied that caused Biden to drop out.

He probably legitimately thought he could do another term, and just needed to be convinced otherwise.

C'mon man. Everyone knew Biden was declining as early was 2021. His campaign told people in 2020 before he was elected that he would only seek one term, which was yet another lie.

All of this "encouragement" and "convincing" talk might help with your cognitive dissonance, but no one outside your party is buying it. Biden was forced out by his party against his wishes because he was losing.

 

[BCP1928]

Correct. Then there would have been a fair and honest primary. But apparently, Democrats don't care about the primary season. I suggest you just toss it in the trash from now and let the Democrat elites tell you who's running. As long as it's not Trump, amirite?!



"Encouraged"? You really do have a way with downplaying the force that was applied that caused Biden to drop out.



C'mon man. Everyone knew Biden was declining as early was 2021. His campaign told people in 2020 before he was elected that he would only seek one term, which was yet another lie.

All of this "encouragement" and "convincing" talk might help with your cognitive dissonance, but no one outside your party is buying it. Biden was forced out by his party against his wishes because he was losing.

And the party has every right, according to their rules, to do what they did. Democrats know what their party rules are, they knew what they were when they voted for Biden in the primary. The present developments are a surprise but well within the scope of DNC rules which you accept when you join the party. There is no actual law or constitutional provision which applies.

 

[probinson]

And the party has every right, according to their rules, to do what they did. Democrats know what their party rules are, they knew what they were when they voted for Biden in the primary. The present developments are a surprise but well within the scope of DNC rules which you accept when you join the party. There is no actual law or constitutional provision which applies.

That may be, but it's shady to be sure. The candidate pool would have been vastly different if Biden were not running.

Not to mention that everyone in the Democratic Party was still running cover for Biden's cognitive decline as recently as last month. They weren't exactly forthright with their voters throughout the process. It wasn't until the spectacular debate collapse that the facade was completely shattered.

 

[A2SG]

Correct. Then there would have been a fair and honest primary. But apparently, Democrats don't care about the primary season. I suggest you just toss it in the trash from now and let the Democrat elites tell you who's running. As long as it's not Trump, amirite?!

Real life events sometimes interfere with our plans. We adapt.

We didn't toss the entire electing a president thing when Gerald Ford was inaugurated, did we?

"Encouraged"? You really do have a way with downplaying the force that was applied that caused Biden to drop out.

I tend not to assume things I know nothing about. Call it a quirk of mine.

C'mon man. Everyone knew Biden was declining as early was 2021. His campaign told people in 2020 before he was elected that he would only seek one term, which was yet another lie.

Not if that was the plan at the time. Plans change.

All of this "encouragement" and "convincing" talk might help with your cognitive dissonance, but no one outside your party is buying it. Biden was forced out by his party against his wishes because he was losing.

You're free to believe whatever you want to. If you don't approve of how political parties choose their nominees, feel free to not participate.

Your call.

I know that if Trump were unable to run for President for some reason (say a change of residence, perhaps), the GOP would also scramble to find another nominee. That's how these things work.

-- A2SG, that's what makes things interesting...

 

[BCP1928]

That may be, but it's shady to be sure. The candidate pool would have been vastly different if Biden were not running.

Not to mention that everyone in the Democratic Party was still running cover for Biden's cognitive decline as recently as last month. They weren't exactly forthright with their voters throughout the process. It wasn't until the spectacular debate collapse that the facade was completely shattered.

"Everyone in the party" includes all registered Democrats. I'm not a Democrat myself, though lately I tend to vote that way, but my impression is that all Democrats were more aware of Biden's condition than you like to pretend, but were hoping against hope that he would be able to hang in there because they thought he was the only candidate who could beat Trump.

 

[bobmartinbm]

It seems that the Democratic Party is increasingly taking actions that bypass the will of their voters under the guise of preserving democracy. This trend suggests that the party prioritizes its internal agenda over the democratic process, installing preferred candidates regardless of primary outcomes. This approach raises concerns about the integrity of voter influence within the party and highlights a growing disconnect between party leadership and its base.

 

[probinson]

Real life events sometimes interfere with our plans. We adapt.

This assumes that this took everyone by surprise, but it should not have. Biden was showing signs of decline long before the primaries, but his administration hid it. They told everyone he was fine. The media carried their water. His supporters looked the other way.

Biden's debate performance didn't surprise me one bit. It wasn't something that should have required adapting to if people had been honest about his decline before the primaries began. Then there would have been open primaries and the Democratic voters could have chosen their candidate through a fair and honest process.