Who will teach us??

[StormyOne]

Do you think we are ready to deal with what the following text is saying? (emphasis mine)

1John 2:27 As for you, the Spirit which he gave you is still in you, and you have no need of any teacher; but as his Spirit gives you teaching about all things, and is true and not false, so keep your hearts in him, through the teaching which he has given you.

here is how it reads in other translations:

(ASV) And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you; concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him.

(BBE) As for you, the Spirit which he gave you is still in you, and you have no need of any teacher; but as his Spirit gives you teaching about all things, and is true and not false, so keep your hearts in him, through the teaching which he has given you.

(CEV) But Christ has blessed you with the Holy Spirit. Now the Spirit stays in you, and you don't need any teachers. The Spirit is truthful and teaches you everything. So stay one in your heart with Christ, just as the Spirit has taught you to do.

(EMTV) And as for you, the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

(GW) The anointing you received from Christ lives in you. You don't need anyone to teach you something else. Instead, Christ's anointing teaches you about everything. His anointing is true and contains no lie. So live in Christ as he taught you to do.

(HNV) As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don't need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

(ISV) The anointing you received from him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. Instead, because his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not a lie, abide in him, as he taught you to do.

(KJV) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

(LITV) And the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and as He taught you, abide in Him.

(MKJV) But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him.

(MSG) But they're no match for what is embedded deeply within you--Christ's anointing, no less! You don't need any of their so-called teaching. Christ's anointing teaches you the truth on everything you need to know about yourself and him, uncontaminated by a single lie. Live deeply in what you were taught.

(WEB) As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don't need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

(WNT) And as for you, the anointing which you received from Him remains within you, and there is no need for any one to teach you. But since His anointing gives you instruction in all things--and is true and is no falsehood--you are continuing in union with Him even as it has taught you to do.

(YLT) and you, the anointing that ye did receive from him, in you it doth remain, and ye have no need that any one may teach you, but as the same anointing doth teach you concerning all, and is true, and is not a lie, and even as was taught you, ye shall remain in him.

Thoughts?

 

[Cliff2]

1John 2:27 As for you, the Spirit which he gave you is still in you, and you have no need of any teacher; but as his Spirit gives you teaching about all things, and is true and not false, so keep your hearts in him, through the teaching which he has given you.

The problem is that there is more than one spirit in the world today.

Some will make the claim that that the "spirit" is leading them.

Is. 8:20 is all we can go by.

 

[StormyOne]

The problem is that there is more than one spirit in the world today.

Some will make the claim that that the "spirit" is leading them.

Is. 8:20 is all we can go by.

The text says that God puts his spirit in us....."As for you, the Spirit which he gave you is still in you, and you have no need of any teacher..."

 

[moicherie]

Stormy some Christians don't trust themselves they like having a human mediator telling them what to do spiritually 'tell me the truth I'll follow it' Christianity does not leave much room for Seek and Ye shall find. Let someone else think for you can be seen in some aspects of the church.

 

[woobadooba]

The text says that God puts his spirit in us....."As for you, the Spirit which he gave you is still in you, and you have no need of any teacher..."

But to what source does the Spirit refer in teaching us what we ought to know?

 

[Cliff2]

The text says that God puts his spirit in us....."As for you, the Spirit which he gave you is still in you, and you have no need of any teacher..."

I did not argue against that at all.

Just look again at what I wrote.

The problem is that there is more than one spirit in the world today.

Some will make the claim that that the "spirit" is leading them.

Is. 8:20 is all we can go by.

There are many people making the claim today that the spirit is leading them.

Just because a person makes that claim does not mean we should follow them or even take any notice of them.

We have to test the spirits to see who is right or wrong.

I am suggesting that the standard we use is Is. 8:20.

If we use anything else we will end up in trouble every time.

I could take for example the Sabbath.

How many people today are saying that the spirit is telling them that the 7th day is not the true Sabbath and therefore they feel they do not have to keep it.

The right spirit is not leading them.

It is not just the Sabbath, that is an obvious one but we could look at other doctrines as well. But for the time being we will keep to the subject here on this thread.

 

[Seraph1m]

But to what source does the Spirit refer in teaching us what we ought to know?

Jhn 16:13,14 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jhn 16:14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you. KJV

Jhn 16:13 and when He may come -- the Spirit of truth -- He will guide you to all the truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but as many things as He will hear He will speak, and the coming things He will tell you; Jhn 16:14 He will glorify me, because of mine He will take, and will tell to you. YLT

 

[woobadooba]

Jhn 16:13,14 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jhn 16:14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you. KJV

Jhn 16:13 and when He may come -- the Spirit of truth -- He will guide you to all the truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but as many things as He will hear He will speak, and the coming things He will tell you; Jhn 16:14 He will glorify me, because of mine He will take, and will tell to you. YLT

Yes, but where do we find the truth?

 

[Seraph1m]

Yes, but where do we find the truth?

Psa 119:11 — Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Psa 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it [is] my meditation all the day.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Col&chapter=3&verse=16&version=kjv
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. KJV


1Cor 2:10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the *Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. NKJV

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. KJV (emphasis mine)

 

[woobadooba]

Psa 119:11 — Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Psa 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it [is] my meditation all the day.


Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. KJV


1Cor 2:10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the *Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. NKJV

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. KJV (emphasis mine)

Yes. And so by searching the scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, we will discover the truth about Jesus; and by applying what we've learned about Him to our lives, we will come to know Him.

But it is important to understand that some of us know more than others, and can be used by God to disclose things within
His word that we aren't aware of.

Such people are called teachers, and there is a place for them in God's work!

In fact, there is no sense in the Bible speaking of "teachers"(Eph. 4:11)if Jesus meant that no one but the Holy Spirit Himself, would be our teacher. For, the Holy Spirit can teach us what we need to know about Jesus through others too.

And so I believe that the passage that Stormy is referring to doesn't disclose that there is no place for teachers, but that such teachers must also be guided by the Holy Spirit.

And the only way that we will know that they are speaking the truth, is by taking what they say and examining it in the light of the scriptures, just like the Bereans did with the teachings of the Apostles. Acts 17:11

Finally, I also believe that Jesus, in saying this, was stating that no man can take the place of the Holy Spirit.(I can't help but think about the Pope here!) For, if we allow a man to become a substitute for the Holy Spirit, we will not be learning of God when he speaks; instead, we will merely discover what he thinks about God. And thus we will not come to know the truth that has the power to set us free. Jn. 8:32

And I don't know about you, but I don't want to place my utmost confidence in what some other man thinks about God; I want to know what God has to say about Himself!

 

[StormyOne]

Woobad... the text suggests, no teachers... are we qualifying that to say there are times when we will need teachers to teach us what we need spiritually?

Cliff I was not arguing but pointing out that the text specifically states that God has put HIS spirit in us. So while there are "other" spirits, the text tells us that His spirit is in us.... that was my point..

 

[tall73]

Woobad... the text suggests, no teachers... are we qualifying that to say there are times when we will need teachers to teach us what we need spiritually?

Cliff I was not arguing but pointing out that the text specifically states that God has put HIS spirit in us. So while there are "other" spirits, the text tells us that His spirit is in us.... that was my point..

Teachers and prophets were both listed as spiritual gifts in the church, to edify one another. So yes, we are qualifying it. The Spirit leads to all truth. But we see the early church was led at times into truth by the prophecy and teaching of others.

 

[woobadooba]

Woobad... the text suggests, no teachers... are we qualifying that to say there are times when we will need teachers to teach us what we need spiritually?

We're just simply endeavoring to put the text in its proper perspective. If the Spirit is in opposition to teachers then what sense is there in the Spirit giving some the gift to teach?

Thus Jesus appears to be referring to the idea that there ought to be no other teachers than the Holy Spirit in the sense that no one should allow any man's teaching to take precedence over the teachings that are inculcated by the Holy Spirit.

 

[StormyOne]

We're just simply endeavoring to put the text in its proper perspective. If the Spirit is in opposition to teachers then what sense is there in the Spirit giving some the gift to teach?

Thus Jesus appears to be referring to the idea that there ought to be no other teachers than the Holy Spirit in the sense that no one should allow any man's teaching to take precedence over the teachings that are inculcated by the Holy Spirit.

So you are suggesting that because the Spirit gives the some the gift of teaching to edify the church, the text offered for consideration cannot be correct? That the believer and follower of Christ, who is filled with His Spirit, may still need a teacher?

 

[woobadooba]

So you are suggesting that because the Spirit gives the some the gift of teaching to edify the church, the text offered for consideration cannot be correct? That the believer and follower of Christ, who is filled with His Spirit, may still need a teacher?

No, that is not what I am saying. The text is correct, but your understanding of it isn't. For, if your understanding of it is correct, then Paul is guilty of contradicting Jesus. And the Spirit and Jesus are not in harmony with each other, since one of the gifts of the Spirit is teaching.

I already explained to you what Jesus meant. You will just have to go back and read it more closely.

 

[Seraph1m]

But it is important to understand that some of us know more than others, and can be used by God to disclose things within
His word that we aren't aware of.

Such people are called teachers, and there is a place for them in God's work! ...

And I don't know about you, but I don't want to place my utmost confidence in what some other man thinks about God; I want to know what God has to say about Himself!

Seeing that we are told: Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; which is it then? Be taught by teachers or, don't place ones utomost confidence in what men think? It would seem, based on the above comments, we need to make up our mind.

And you are right, you don't know about me. That is exactly why I directed you to Gods word, not mine.

Be blessed

 

[woobadooba]

Seeing that we are told: Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; which is it then? Be taught by teachers or, don't place ones utomost confidence in what men think? It would seem, based on the above comments, we need to make up our mind.

And you are right, you don't know about me. That is exactly why I directed you to Gods word, not mine.

Be blessed

You misunderstood what I said. I don't want to place my utmost confidence in what people think about God, but in what God has to say about Himself.

Teachers who are filled with the Spirit will teach us what God has to say about Himself; meaning, whatever they teach about God will find its support in the Holy Scriptures, not in the opinions of men who really don't know God.

 

[Seraph1m]

You misunderstood what I said. I don't want to place my utmost confidence in what people think about God, but in what God has to say about Himself.

Teachers who are filled with the Spirit will teach us what God has to say about Himself; meaning, whatever they teach about God will find its support in the Holy Scriptures, not in the opinions of men who really don't know God.

Please read the response again.

Other than asking two questions and making an observation, I have not expressd what I thought you meant. Thanks for providing a clearer understanding of what you do mean.

Peace

 

[woobadooba]

Please read the response again.

Other than asking two questions and making an observation, I have not expressd what I thought you meant. Thanks for providing a clearer understanding of what you do mean.

Peace

You gave me an either or situation, thereby demonstrating that you did not understand what I meant. And for the simple fact that you are now thanking me for giving a clearer understanding of what I meant, this also tells me that you misunderstood me.

Now, let's put this behind us and stop making mountains out of ant hills.

 

[StormyOne]

No, that is not what I am saying. The text is correct, but your understanding of it isn't. For, if your understanding of it is correct, then Paul is guilty of contradicting Jesus. And the Spirit and Jesus are not in harmony with each other, since one of the gifts of the Spirit is teaching.

I already explained to you what Jesus meant. You will just have to go back and read it more closely.

Woobad, I have not given my understanding yet lol, I am asking you questions based on the premise of the text...Here is more of the context of the text though... what do you make of it?(emphasis mine)

1John 2:18-28 Children, it's the end of time. You've heard that an antichrist is coming. Certainly, many antichrists are already here. That's how we know it's the end of time. (19) They left us. However, they were never really part of us. If they had been, they would have stayed with us. But by leaving they made it clear that none of them were part of us. (20) The Holy One has anointed you, so all of you have knowledge. (21) I'm writing to you because you know the truth, not because you don't know the truth. You know that no lie ever comes from the truth. (22) Who is a liar? Who else but the person who rejects Jesus as the Messiah? The person who rejects the Father and the Son is an antichrist. (23) Everyone who rejects the Son doesn't have the Father either. The person who acknowledges the Son also has the Father. (24) Make sure that the message you heard from the beginning lives in you. If that message lives in you, you will also live in the Son and in the Father. (25) Christ has given us the promise of eternal life. (26) I'm writing to you about those who are trying to deceive you. (27) The anointing you received from Christ lives in you. You don't need anyone to teach you something else. Instead, Christ's anointing teaches you about everything. His anointing is true and contains no lie. So live in Christ as he taught you to do. (28) Now, dear children, live in Christ. Then, when he appears we will have confidence, and when he comes we won't turn from him in shame.

The additional texts shed light on something that was being addressed.... Verse 26...