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NightEternal · Aug 5, 2007

My vote for Ice still stands BTW. I think he can and will be impartial if his mod position demands it of him. He will also be uncompromising in enforcing forum guidelines, as he is not out to make friends with anyone.

sentipente · Aug 5, 2007

Sophia7 said:
Thus, the accusations that some have made that the poll was invalid are unfounded. It was an issue that needed to be addressed before we could continue making rules, and we had Letalis' approval to decide the question in this manner.

As well thought out as are the reasons behind the poll to split it is not true that it was valid. I understand the concerns of the Admin but that poll would not get to the table as a motion under RRO. The decision to have sub-fora would first have to be set aside (or in the new motion) because the first motion represented a vote not to split.

That said, I can't believe this is still a subject of debate.

Sophia7 · Aug 5, 2007

sentipente said:
As well thought out as are the reasons behind the poll to split it is not true that it was valid. I understand the concerns of the Admin but that poll would not get to the table as a motion under RRO. The decision to have sub-fora would first have to be set aside (or in the new motion) because the first motion represented a vote not to split.

That said, I can't believe this is still a subject of debate.

In case you haven't noticed yet, CF is not run by Robert's Rules of Order.

NightEternal · Aug 5, 2007

I don't want to be a part of contributing to a poll that was not valid as Ice, RC and Senti contend.

It seems whether it was or was not will be one of those unanswered questions that will drift in the timeless corridors of eternity.

Not that it matters anyhow. The one who initiated the poll seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.

sentipente · Aug 5, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
It was premature, but not immature.

It was immature. It was the equivalent of trying to gather the loot. I appreciate the zeal to protect him but it does him no good to defend his actions in this way. I felt the same way Ice did though I would probably have used less harsh language.

sentipente · Aug 5, 2007

IntoTheCrimsonSky said:
It's simply saying that we need to treat the Sabbath as the important time it is even on this forum, and respect that that 24 hours for each mod is different from the rest.

Then we should shut down the forum completely during all Sabbath hours. Oh, we can't. This is not our house.

TrustAndObey · Aug 5, 2007

sentipente said:
It was immature. It was the equivalent of trying to gather the loot. I appreciate the zeal to protect him but it does him no good to defend his actions in this way. I felt the same way Ice did though I would probably have used less harsh language.

The best way to handle it was not to vote. Don't encourage something you don't agree with.

I asked him why he needed a head count, and I thought it was wrong to ask like someone would be the winner....but you said yourself you wouldn't have handled it like Ice did.

We need to respect the young people in this forum.

Speaking of which, my son will be here soon to ask a question of Doc. Be nice.

honorthesabbath · Aug 5, 2007

The ONLY reason why I felt that the 'split poll' was invalid was because the rules definately said that only those 'who joined BEFORE July 4th , 2007 AND were REGULAR posters could vote. The next thing we witness is a flood of ppl who hadn't posted in the Adventist forum for months and YEARS!

This clearly VIOLATED the rules for voting. I'm still not sure why the mod's allowed this vote to stand in light of these violations.

sentipente · Aug 5, 2007

honorthesabbath said:
The ONLY reason why I felt that the 'split poll' was invalid was because the rules definately said that only those 'who joined BEFORE July 4th , 2007 AND were REGULAR posters could vote.

You must be reading a poll that was not posted.

Adventist Dissident · Aug 5, 2007

sentipente said:
It was immature. It was the equivalent of trying to gather the loot. I appreciate the zeal to protect him but it does him no good to defend his actions in this way. I felt the same way Ice did though I would probably have used less harsh language.

I was extremely offended by the vote to split, seeing I had worked hard to ensure that all the forums had passed. Then after a victory and literal burning the midnight oil to have someone come along an just say that was a waste and we are not going to do that. That made me really angry. I thought the process deserved more respect then that.

Then to have my motives questioned by trust&obey and say that I did something wrong when I did nothing wrong, buy asking people to support the 4 forums poll. that is completely unfair and unjust.

honorthesabbath · Aug 5, 2007

icedragon101 said:
that is ok I did not think i would get your vote any way

ICE--just to set the record straight--it was ME who defended the report against you with ontheDL. I was the one who made the comment about ppl being so 'thin-skinned'. Just because I usually disagree with your take on things--doesn't mean that I'm going to be unfair to you.

I see that DL did actually provoke you in some of his statements. I think BOTH of you are guilty of egging each other on. Except for your comment about him being a fool, I cannot, in all honesty, see why the first part of your post was reported.

It worries me when things get so nit-picky that ppl cannot say what is on their minds in the way they talk without someone reporting them. We all express ourselves differently and just because my way of saying someting isn't YOUR (not meaning you in particular ICE) way of saying something does not mean I am wrong. Nobody is the cop of the road in here. Except of course the mods.

There are a few ppl in here who's posts I personally cannot tolerate--and so--I have chosen to place them in the closet. I also have learned that some ppl have zero tolerance for anything THEY deem 'inappropriate', and so they 'report' you for everything.

I have asked the Lord to give me patience and understanding of the ppl I encounter in this forum. I am very ashamed of how badly I responded to what I perceived as personal attacks by some in here. I also thought it was my duty to defend the Word of God and reputation of my church. It isn't. God claims revenge belongs to HIM--not me. I tried to usurp that which wasn't mine.

God reminded me of this text..Ps 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

It's been a very terrible year for me and the bent up anger and pain in me came flooding out. With God's help, I will never lose control again.

Adventist Dissident · Aug 5, 2007

honorthesabbath said:
ICE--just to set the record straight--it was ME who defended the report against you with ontheDL. I was the one who made the comment about ppl being so 'thin-skinned'. Just because I usually disagree with your take on things--doesn't mean that I'm going to be unfair to you.

I see that DL did actually provoke you in some of his statements. I think BOTH of you are guilty of egging each other on. Except for your comment about him being a fool, I cannot, in all honesty, see why the first part of your post was reported.

It worries me when things get so nit-picky that ppl cannot say what is on their minds in the way they talk without someone reporting them. We all express ourselves differently and just because my way of saying someting isn't YOUR (not meaning you in particular ICE) way of saying something does not mean I am wrong. Nobody is the cop of the road in here. Except of course the mods.

There are a few ppl in here who's posts I personally cannot tolerate--and so--I have chosen to place them in the closet. I also have learned that some ppl have zero tolerance for anything THEY deem 'inappropriate', and so they 'report' you for everything.

I have asked the Lord to give me patience and understanding of the ppl I encounter in this forum. I am very ashamed of how badly I responded to what I perceived as personal attacks by some in here. I also thought it was my duty to defend the Word of God and reputation of my church. It isn't. God claims revenge belongs to HIM--not me. I tried to usurp that which wasn't mine.

God reminded me of this text..Ps 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

It's been a very terrible year for me and the bent up anger and pain in me came flooding out. With God's help, I will never lose control again.

well there is a suprise.

If you want an explination I would be happy to explain why I said what I said. If not I am sorry your feeling were hurt.

honorthesabbath · Aug 5, 2007

icedragon101 said:
well there is a suprise.

If you want an explination I would be happy to explain why I said what I said. If not I am sorry your feeling were hurt.

No explaination is needed Ice. It was all out there for all to see. We've all had our turn in the dock.

Let's just learn from our mistakes and move forward.

IntoTheCrimsonSky · Aug 6, 2007

Hey Everyone,

As sad as I am to write this, I'm going to have to respectivly decline my nomination for moderator at this point.

I want everyone to know that I truely appreciated it and was touched by the support you guys have been giving me about this.

To be honest, I actually really want to be a mod. I was very tempted to say yes, and still am..but it would not be fair of me at this point. There are some things in my life which are up in the air, and I don't want to let you all down if I was voted in and then suddenly didn't have the time to be here much.

So..here's what I'd like to propose instead. For the time being I'm going to be here as much as I can to help out in the rule making and voting and such, while I deal with my life stuff and find out what's going on. I should know where I stand within a month or two, an if it comes out that things work out so I can be here I'd like to apply for mod then and we can go through the election process.

This okay with you guys?

Love and Blessings,
Sarah

thecountrydoc · Aug 6, 2007

An old country story to make a point (I hope):

One evening as the sun started to set in the west, two good ol' boys were sitting on the front porch of their house way down in the deep piney woods. One turned to the other and said, "we either need to go inside or go get the dogs and go coon huntin' 'cause its gettin' dark."

After a short discussion the dicission was made to go coon huntin.' Upon arival at one of their favoite hunting spots, they built at a fire, turned the dogs loose, leaned back and proceeded to wait for the bailful wail of the hounds indicating that they had treed game.

They didn't have long to wait. It sounded like the number of dogs had doubled from all the howling and barking. The two fellowes followed the sound of the dogs an found all the dogs trying to out jump each other to get at what ever as up in the tree. The two fellows grabbed the trunk of the rather small tree and begain to shake it as hard as they could. But to no avail. What ever was up in that tree wasn't going to be shaken down. Finally one fellow said to the other one, you hold the flashlite while I climb the tree and see if I can get closer and shake that thing down. As the one who was climbing the tree got closer to the unknown game the fellow on the ground shined the light up into the tree. All of a sudden there was a horible scream, followed by frantic movement up in the tree accompanied by fierce snarls and growls. The light was reflected back to the ground from two great big green eyes and some very long fangs. The fellow up in the tree started shouting "Shoot! Shoot! The fellow on the ground shouted back, "If I shoot I might hit you instead of that bobcat!" The fellow up in the tree shouted back, "Go ahead and shoot! One of us has got to have some relief!!!"

I truly hope everyone is ready for some relief in getting all these new rules in place.

I'll write more, and more directly, tomorrow.

Respectfully, your friend and brother in Christ,
Doc

sentipente · Aug 6, 2007

honorthesabbath said:
It worries me when things get so nit-picky that ppl cannot say what is on their minds in the way they talk without someone reporting them. We all express ourselves differently and just because my way of saying someting isn't YOUR (not meaning you in particular ICE) way of saying something does not mean I am wrong. Nobody is the cop of the road in here. Except of course the mods.

There are a few ppl in here who's posts I personally cannot tolerate--and so--I have chosen to place them in the closet. I also have learned that some ppl have zero tolerance for anything THEY deem 'inappropriate', and so they 'report' you for everything.

Somebody pinch me.

TrustAndObey · Aug 6, 2007

Sarah, I'm very saddened that you can't be a mod right now, but I do totally understand. And OF COURSE you are welcome to apply to be a mod later.

Honor, that was beautiful. The Holy Spirit works in us ALL, amen!

IntoTheCrimsonSky · Aug 6, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
Sarah, I'm very saddened that you can't be a mod right now, but I do totally understand. And OF COURSE you are welcome to apply to be a mod later.

Thanks for understanding. It'll probably turn out alright, but I know that I should be finding out for sure what will happen within a short time from now.

I just pray God will make it so I can apply soon, and I won't have the worry then.

tall73 · Aug 6, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
Actually I'm just as upset with Wooba for pushing that this forum not split so we could get stricter rules in here, and where is he now that it's time to MAKE those stricter rules?

I have been active in the wiki, and I voted for it. If woob has not perhaps there is more to it than meets the eye.

tall73 · Aug 6, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
So just to clarify, the Admin was contacted about splitting (NOT by Mankin) and a poll was started to see if we would split. At the time Mankin made HIS poll, the votes in the other poll (started before his) were in FAVOR of splitting, but that changed later.

Series of events in that chain:

1. Big fight after NE posted the thread about Honor.

2. Several thought that the rules process was hopeless due to fighting and began to post the idea of a split across several threads.

3. Someone pm'ed Erwin saying that the Adventist forum was in chaos and suggesting a split.

4. Erwin dispatched the forum manager Letalis to investigate, and he also pm'ed the only two Adventists he knew very well, which would be Sophia and I since we served on staff, and I worked with him in theology. He wanted to get our take on the situation.

If he pmed others I am not sure.

5. Woob, apparently seeing the reaction pushing for a split decided to make a poll. However, by that time he had already re-thought the split apparently and constructed his poll options to steer people towards the middle ground option of cooperation.

6. Letalis came into the poll thread and made it plain that he wanted the opinion of the members and that a split was possible. Therefore the poll was not part of our wiki process but it was something that Erwin himself, through Letalis, was watching. That is a valid poll.

They wanted to assess how bad things were.

TrustandObey has said she didn't want a poll but just wanted to work behind the scenes for a split.

7. However, the poll had three options and would likely go to a plurality with no majority. So we reconstructed the poll options to be either yes or no, essentially.

Woob insisted on the portion regarding stricter rules because it was clear (though perhaps enlarged by the recent fight) that things were not working as they were.

8. I was going to re-post the poll but was busy so Sophia did in response to Woob's request. Since she is on staff she could lock the old one. It was locked and the new poll was started.

9. Mankin, apparently seeing either the poll or the calls for a split, started his own poll wondering where people would go.

So.....

Here is my take on the above.

The one who contacted Erwin is the one who set in motion the poll process, even though Woob beat them to the punch.

If folks want to start their own section they can, by following the CF guidelines. But to split a section you need approval from those in it.

Erwin was not going to split it just because he got some pm's but wanted to get everyone's take. Since Letalis saw a poll already started he worked with it. And despite some coming in who hadn't been around in a while, it would have passed without them. It would have been the same if you took out the non-eligibles. It had several traditionals as well on the side of not splitting.

In other words, the poll did what it was supposed to and showed the general outlook of the forum.

Moreover, I have no problem with someone coming back from a break and voting to not split something they may want to participate in later.

Several have gone for long breaks and come back. I don't see that as bad. And they should still have a voice.

This was not under the wiki process, and has not been included in the wiki poll numbering. Therefore the "who is eligible" poll wouldn't directly apply, but even if it did the "regulars" portion was in regard to who was included that had another icon. It was to show that we knew who was Adventist from their disclosing it before, though they did not bear and Adventist icon. It did not apply to those who came back from a break because it was about WHAT they were, not how often they had been here lately.

The poll became "official" when Erwin dispatched Letalis, and Letalis clarified his intentions.

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