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I would refuse putting my neighbor to death for adultery then write off the whole "vision" as some sort of hallucination. Then I would call a friend and talk out the weirdness that occurred.A hypothetical question.
Imagine you encounter a vision. A figure shrouded in holy light appears before you, a brilliant halo on their head. They speak in a divine voice, and tell you that they are the holy spirit of the lord God. They then absolve you of your sins, and demand that you put your neighbors to death for the sin of adultery. You are given the feeling that you know this to be God speaking to you.
But who really just spoke to you? How do you know? How could you tell? How do you know it is not Satan, or some hypothetical other supernatural being?
The scripture. It is trustworthy.And if they told you that the scripture is a lie, placed there by Satan to fool mankind? Again, how would you know who to trust?
Do you have an authority for that (apart from the circular one of it being God's word because it says it's God's word)? IOW who told you the scripture was trustworthy, and who told them?The scripture. It is trustworthy.
25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
What if this being claiming to be god comes forward and says, "The scripture is fraudulent, it was placed there by Satan and does not reflect my will." Why would you reject this claim? You have a supernatural being before you claiming explicitly that the bible is false; what possible evidence supporting the bible could trump that?
Do you have an authority for that (apart from the circular one of it being God's word because it says it's God's word)? IOW who told you the scripture was trustworthy, and who told them?
A hypothetical question.
Imagine you encounter a vision. A figure shrouded in holy light appears before you, a brilliant halo on their head. They speak in a divine voice, and tell you that they are the holy spirit of the lord God. They then absolve you of your sins, and demand that you put your neighbors to death for the sin of adultery. You are given the feeling that you know this to be God speaking to you.
But who really just spoke to you? How do you know? How could you tell? How do you know it is not Satan, or some hypothetical other supernatural being?
Even the many errors in the Bible are without error because it's a sacred book and the church derives it's authority form it.
To me it's the imperfectly preserved story of biased holy men speculating about the meaning of Gods doings via managing agents and their accompanying revelations over the ages. I agree there is a spiritual message but unfortunately that message is contaminated by the associated speculation and conjecture, leaving people with a dysfunctional concept of said deity.No, it's without error because it is a story book about man's relationship
with God, who is Spirit. The spiritual message could get through clear
eevn if the srbices srfufeed form dxsleiya.
To me it's the imperfectly preserved story of biased holy men speculating about the meaning of Gods doings via managing agents and their accompanying revelations over the ages. I agree there is a spiritual message but unfortunately that message is contaminated by the associated speculation and conjecture, leaving people with a dysfunctional concept of said deity.
To me it's the imperfectly preserved story of biased holy men speculating about the meaning of Gods doings via managing agents and their accompanying revelations over the ages. I agree there is a spiritual message but unfortunately that message is contaminated by the associated speculation and conjecture, leaving people with a dysfunctional concept of said deity.
I disagree, the Hebrews redacted their secular history in Babylon converting it into a miraculous fiction. Their primitive concepts of God conflict with the God revealed in the life of Christ.It's not contaminated in the least. It's a history book about how man sees and deals with
a God who is only accessible in Spirit. It was not written in Heaven. It was written by men
with their imperfect connection to the Spirit. Some that we read about had an occasional
strong insight about God, others did not. Just like the world we live in today.
You couldn't ask for a more perfect explanation of who & how God is.
I disagree, the Hebrews redacted their secular history in Babylon converting it into a miraculous fiction. Their primitive concepts of God conflict with the God revealed in the life of Christ.
For me it's the Urantia Book.
I wouldn't use the term "authority" , attempts at establishing institutional authority is the foundation for a great deal of mischief. God is the ultimate authority, the priest class has often asserted itself between man and God.From a scholarly standpoint this has to be answered with a resounding: MAYBE. The view you're presenting here is a fairly typical critical view of the OT and has certain arguments in support of it. But it is also fraught with tons of problems and is certainly not the only scholarly accepted view on the provenance and authorship of the OT.
But it seems from this post that you're at least willing to take the gospel accounts in the NT as authoritative?
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