Who should be allowed to adopt?

Brieuse · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear brieuse, Halohope and
So do homosexual couples have a man and a woman, a mother and a father? I think you missed the point.

But I am not sure he did any of the research either, you seem to be mistrusting him because he presents research you don’t like.

I don’t suppose fred Phelps would take anything you said seriously either, nonetheless Jesus died for him just as he died for you and me. ... but you missed my point, Fred Phelps cleraly ignores bits of scripture, God does not hate anyone if He has sent His only Son to die for them, where Phelps is right and you are wrong is he sees from God's word that same-sex sex is wrong, one of the sins Jesus actually died for

I don't think I missed the point.

By you posting so-called "scientific research" that single parents are more likely to raise truant children, in a debate regarding ethics surrounding same-sex relationships, the following arguments should be realised.

1. You say that parents who are missing a mother or father are more likely to raise truant children.
2. In your argument because same-sex parents are missing either a father or mother, they are more likely to raise truant children.
3. Because truant children are being raised, same sex parenthood is wrong.
4. Therefore, I deduce that you are saying that single parenthood is also wrong.

In that case, what would your solution be for a single mother whose husband has died to be "right" in the eyes of the Lord? What happens if she is unable to find a suitable partner to remarry? Must she rather enter into a non-loving, ie lustful, relationship in order to fulfill your criteria of a parenthood that is right in the eyes of the Lord?

HaloHope · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear brieuse, Halohope and
So do homosexual couples have a man and a woman, a mother and a father? I think you missed the point.

I think you missed the point that this study was carried out purely on broken "hetrosexual" homes. Not on any homosexual famalies or single parents who have adopted or anything like that. Thus the findings can only be applied to those it covered.

Speaking in terms of my personal relationship, I believe my partner could be as gooder "Dad" as plenty of guys out there anyway

brightmorningstar said:
But I am not sure he did any of the research either, you seem to be mistrusting him because he presents research you dont like.

No, I dont trust him as he has repeatedly shown through his career he has all the political compotency of a walnut. Besides he wants to promote "nuclear family" as the new Tory ideal, of course the studies going to say what he thinks will fuel the parties political gains.

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear Brieuse,

I don't think I missed the point.

No you are still missing the point, I have not done the research and the ‘so called’ research is as good as any ‘so called’ research I have seen that disputes it.

4. Therefore, I deduce that you are saying that single parenthood is also wrong.

No that’s another issue but yes that is what the research does show.

But you have not answered my question. The research shows that the situation os worse without a mother or father, so I assume you mean a homosexual couple is a couple without either a mother or father.

In that case, what would your solution be for a single mother whose husband has died to be "right" in the eyes of the Lord? What happens if she is unable to find a suitable partner to remarry? Must she rather enter into a non-loving, ie lustful, relationship in order to fulfill your criteria of a parenthood that is right in the eyes of the Lord?

Well read the word of God which I have been citing and see what I would follow as a Christian.

But note that if a woman is a disciple who is following Jesus teaching, if she is unable to find a suitable partner in the first place she won’t be having any children. Contrast that with a same-sex couple who can’t produce any children between them anyway because it is not biologically possible.

*Starlight* · Aug 16, 2007

I picked all of the options. I don't think that someone's religion or sexual orientation defines how good parents they are. As for being single, I guess it's more difficult to be a single parent, but it doesn't mean such a person would be a bad.

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear Halohope

I think you missed the point that this study was carried out purely on broken "hetrosexual" homes. Not on any homosexual famalies or single parents who have adopted or anything like that.

No I think the study shows the problem is the absence of a mother or a father something inherent in a same-sex couple. Secondly I and personally I would suggest that the problem of a missing biological mother or father would show up even more trouble.

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

No I think the study shows the problem is the absence of a mother or a father something inherent in a same-sex couple. Secondly I and personally I would suggest that the problem of a missing biological mother or father would show up even more trouble.

No, I think you're still missing the point.
These issues that were mentioned in the study are most likely to occur in single parent families who were not prepared to have a child or had a divorce and did not prepare the child for it. That makes common sense. The list goes on and on how this could effect a child. Financial issues, not having a parent around because they need to work to make ends meet, etc.

Would it be stressful to be missing a father or a mother? Of course but I think thats only because that the child knew that he/she had one in the first place.

There are no studies that I know of that suggest gay/ lesbian parents are more likely to raise children who will be come vulnerable to negative influences. If the child is raised properly than that shouldn't be a problem anyway.

HaloHope · Aug 16, 2007

naotmaa said:
No, I think you're still missing the point.
These issues that were mentioned in the study are most likely to occur in single parent families who were not prepared to have a child or had a divorce and did not prepare the child for it. That makes common sense. The list goes on and on how this could effect a child. Financial issues, not having a parent around because they need to work to make ends meet, etc.

Would it be stressful to be missing a father or a mother? Of course but I think thats only because that the child knew that he/she had one in the first place.

There are no studies that I know of that suggest gay/ lesbian parents are more likely to raise children who will be come vulnerable to negative influences. If the child is raised properly than that shouldn't be a problem anyway.

Exactly.

The whole study was about broken homes. Not gay couples adopting children as that would not be a broken home.

Ave Maria · Aug 16, 2007

I voted for all of the above.

BAFRIEND · Aug 16, 2007

Yeah, let the homosexuals adopt little kids, that is real smart !!

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

Carmody said:
Yeah, let the homosexuals adopt little kids, that is real smart !!

Why not?

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear naotmaa and Halohope.
Ah but there are no real gay/lesbian parents except where one is a gay man and the other is a lesbian woman, two people of the same sex cant have children, one of them at least has to have help. Anyway there are no homosexual families that haven’t been created by humans, its not part of God’s creation purpose, for believers it is detestable in God’s sight

Incidentally in your world have you got any research to present please for the gay children of gay couples, allowing for the fact there aren’t any, if there is any I wouldn’t think the gay report is worth the gay paper it is written on.

OllieFranz · Aug 16, 2007

Carmody said:
Yeah, let the homosexuals adopt little kids, that is real smart !!

Why in the world do you want to condemn an innocent child to growing up institutionalized, or in indifferent or all too often even dangerous foster care when there is a loving family aching to show that child love?

Gays have been shown to be loving caring parents. Most of them are noticibly more loving and caring than the average family. (Possibly because they are more closely scrutinized, but on the other hand it could be despite the added pressure of being closely watched.)

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

OliieFranz,

Why in the world

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do you want to condemn an innocent child to growing up institutionalized, or in indifferent or all too often even dangerous foster care when there is a loving family aching to show that child love?

which is the dangerous one?

Gays have been shown to be loving caring parents.

Are there any real gay parents? The friends I know who are 'gay' and 'lesbian' are very loving but they cant have children between them. For Christians of course its against God's purpose, its not natural and its pschologically damaging to the children, common sense to us and some studies show this

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa and Halohope.
Ah but there are no real gay/lesbian parents except where one is a gay man and the other is a lesbian woman, two people of the same sex cant have children, one of them at least has to have help. Anyway there are no homosexual families that havent been created by humans, its not part of Gods creation purpose, for believers it is detestable in Gods sight

Incidentally in your world have you got any research to present please for the gay children of gay couples, allowing for the fact there arent any, if there is any I wouldnt think the gay report is worth the gay paper it is written on.

I don't think I was arguing that two people of the same sex could have children..but whatever. There are no gay families that haven't been created by humans? As opposed to what? Aliens?

As for the research, here is a good place to start: http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html

I'll be sure to look for others.

HaloHope · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa and Halohope.
Ah but there are no real gay/lesbian parents except where one is a gay man and the other is a lesbian woman, two people of the same sex cant have children, one of them at least has to have help. Anyway there are no homosexual families that havent been created by humans, its not part of Gods creation purpose, for believers it is detestable in Gods sight

Yeh damn all those hetrosexual couples who can't have kids and have adopted children, I guess that makes them not real famalies either.

Love makes a family. Simple as that.

Im a believer its not detestable in my sight. Im sick of being told thats the truth when it isn't i'ts a belief and no matter how many times its repeated to me it isnt going to change that.

brightmorningstar said:
Incidentally in your world have you got any research to present please for the gay children of gay couples, allowing for the fact there arent any, if there is any I wouldnt think the gay report is worth the gay paper it is written on.

Im not entirely sure what type of study you asking for here, as your snide "gay" comments made me lose interest in what you typed fairly quickly. Sorry.

OllieFranz · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa and Halohope.
Ah but there are no real gay/lesbian parents except where one is a gay man and the other is a lesbian woman, two people of the same sex cant have children, one of them at least has to have help. Anyway there are no homosexual families that havent been created by humans, its not part of Gods creation purpose, for believers it is detestable in Gods sight

Incidentally in your world have you got any research to present please for the gay children of gay couples, allowing for the fact there arent any, if there is any I wouldnt think the gay report is worth the gay paper it is written on.

But there are a lot of families where a child is the product of a previous marriage of one of the partners. This happens with both straight couples and with gay couples where the natural parent tried to live the "straight lifestyle."

The families are identical except for the gender of the step-parent. The love is the same. The care is the same. And there have been decades of study -- and many studies -- which show no evidence that there is any difference in the quality of that love and that care, or of the results in the lives of those children.

Likewise in studies on adoptive families, whether the parents were gay or straight makes no differences.

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

Are there any real gay parents? The friends I know who are 'gay' and 'lesbian' are very loving but they cant have children between them. For Christians of course its against God's purpose, its not natural and its pschologically damaging to the children, common sense to us and some studies show this

It's against God's purpose to adopt children?

You really need to back up that having two moms or two dads "pschologically" damaging to the children.

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear naotmaa,
On the contrary it is a command to disciples to take care of orphans.

You really need to back up that having two moms or two dads "pschologically" damaging to the children.

I have done so already with citing the Breakdown Britian report, I am aksing you now for some research

OllieFranz · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
OliieFranz,
which is the dangerous one?

Are there any real gay parents? The friends I know who are 'gay' and 'lesbian' are very loving but they cant have children between them. For Christians of course its against God's purpose, its not natural and its pschologically damaging to the children, common sense to us and some studies show this

Someone else has already made the point that adoptive parents are real parents every bit as much as biological ones are. But according to you, no child should be adopted because their adoptive parents will not be real parents. I guess you really do just want to warehouse all those unwanted children.

James 1:27 said:
Religion pure and undefiled with the God and Father is this, to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation -- unspotted to keep himself from the world.

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear OllieFranz,

Someone else has already made the point that adoptive parents are real parents every bit as much as biological ones are.

Only by a miracle. In the natural two people of the same sex cant concieve children.

But according to you, no child should be adopted because their adoptive parents will not be real parents.

On the contrary I have just said disciples are commanded to look after orphans. and James 1:27 was the very instruction I had in mind, but disciples are also taught that same-sex relationships are error so I meant disciples.

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Who should be allowed to be adoptive or foster parents?

Heterosexuals

Homosexuals

Bisexuals

Non Christians or other religions

Single Parent.

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