PART TWO
FIRST -- About "satan"... You (not He) said -- "Do not let Satan deceive you, for GOD himself is just, and holy and righteous"
This is quite humorous, ...there is no such "BEING" known as "satan"... no talking snake, nor red guy with a pitchfork that is "in charge" of HELL...
...nor was ever an ANGEL which was "in heaven"...
"satan" is the INHERENT, NATURAL ADVERSITY (law of SIN/captivity) within the FLESH OF MEN "(body of DEATH") -- Rom 8:23-25 -- which GOD CONCLUDED (beginning with Adam and Eve, and ALL of their subsequent CHILDREN for EVE is the MOTHER of all LIVING -- Gen 3:20 -- and ALL are IN ADAM -- 1 Cor 15:22) shall naturally of a DECEITFUL heart -- Jer 17:9 -- gravitate (naturally -- 1 Cor 15:22, 42-48) to the SIN of UNBELIEF -- Rom 11:32 -- Rom 14:23 --
Which is a scenario which GOD has "CONCLUDED" for ALL men, and it shall BE as He has decided it shall be -- Rom 9:11 -- and only HE can deliver men from this "conclusion" MADE by YHVH of them.
"ALL have SINNED", is the CONCLUSION of God concerning ALL MEN, even those who have YET to begin life in the REALM of TIME (which IS the LAKE of FIRE & BRIMSTONE), and which is where the REVELATION of the singular and LIVING (men are alive) KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, is REVEALED. And which "knowledge" is contained in the WORD of GOD.
ALL things which are manifest in TIME, were already proclaimed by the DECLARATION of YHVH in His WORD, concerning those things which were "NOT YET DONE" (which is everything):
Isaiah 46:10 -- "DECLARING the end from the beginning and from ancient times, the things that ARE NOT YET DONE [which is everything], saying MY COUNSEL shall stand, and I WILL DO, all My pleasure
CLEARLY this verse conveys that GOD is "DOING" that which HE DECLARED (declarations are made with "WORDS") from the end to the beginning... which is unfolding (reversed) and manifesting IN TIME, from the beginning unto the end, ...JUST as He has DECLARED they will, ...not as they will, but as HE WILLS -- Eph 1:11
"satan" is NOT an "angel" that once was HOLY and Scripture does not suggest this fallacy.
God does not make errors in His creations (i.e. some "being" would arise and rebel against Him without His consent or WILL being involved).
He has PURPOSE for ALL things. There is NO Scriptural proof that ANY angel which was ever Holy, "fell" from holiness.
Matter of fact... "satan" is not a being at all, rather is the PRINCIPALITY of ADVERSITY, which is inherent within the DECEITFUL hearts of mankind -- Jer 17:9 -- which are DECEITFUL ABOVE -- ALL THINGS.
NOTHING happens within the domain of YHVH, which is NOT purposed BY HIM... as NO ONE has EVER counseled (advised) the ALMIGHTY. NO one. -- Rom 11:34
GOD has not had to resort to "plan B" because ...(1) one of His angels fell, and convinced other angels to fall ...(2) - Man disobeyed HIs command, and a "redemptive" mission had to be implemented.
This is FOOLISHNESS. GOD knows ALL, and has PURPOSE for ALL -- Ecc 3:1-8
SECOND --- YOU (not He) said --- "HE will execute justice" -- this is true but this statement does NOT point to the FUTURE, ...for MEN shall REAP what they SOW... of the FLESH (in which SIN took place) -- the MYRIADS of SORROWS upon the Earth (war, AIDS, cancer, diabetes, marriage disollutions, rampant misbehaviors, ALL of which demote the quality of LIFE, and IMPOSE sorrow) are TESTIMONY and WITNESS to the REAPING where SIN has been SOWN. This life is not a pre-cursor to WORSE! This life IS the Lake of FIRE and BRIMSTONE, in which MISBEHAVIOR (sin) is SOWN and according equal SORROW is REAPED for IT!
REASON dictates that a PARENT deals with misbehavior AS IT HAPPENS, not at the conclusion of CHILDHOOD or at the end of the life of the CHILD! Did your mother and father WAIT until your childhood was finished to address your misbehaviors DURING that childhood, 3 angels? Of course they did NOT!
Gal 6:8 -- For he that soweth to his FLESH, shall ...OF THE FLESH REAP CORRUPTION... but he that soweth to the spirit, shall of the spirit reap life everlasting. ("everlasting" is an invalid translation, as "AIONIOS" which is pertains to TIME, not ETERNITY... AIONIOS is shown to contain beginning and end -- Jude 7 -- the FIRE of Sodom and Gomorrah began, and ended. ETERNAL does not have EITHER of these limitations)
In Resurrection... the FLESH is not considered, for when man is RAISED, it IS in ...INCORRUPTION -- 1 Cor 15:42
In the reaping of deeds GOOD or EVIL, is GOD's Justice (which is NOW) enacted.
JESUS CLEARLY said (and YOU ignore)... that -- "the JUDGMENT of THIS WORLD, ...IS ...NOW" -- John 12:31 -- ALL "time" occurs in the present. In truth, there is NO such thing as the Past, nor the Future... there is ONLY NOW.
THIRD -- YOU (not He) said: "the Cross of JESUS CHRIST is evidence of it" (God's wrath)
The CROSS of JESUS CHRIST contains the means of PEACE and RECONCILIATION -- Col 1:20
JESUS died (paid) for the UNGODLY -- Rom 5:6 -- which is ALL men -- 1 Tim 2:6
In the SENDING of CHRIST to NOT CONDEMN (which is an UNCHANGING position), ...the manifestation of GRACE was given by YHVH God, to replace and PAY -- 1 Cor 7:23 -- FOR the SIN of ALL MEN -- 1 Tim 2:6 -- and where the GRACE of YHVH God ...IS... sin, IS thereby DWARFED and rendered inert (taken away).
(Might I say that I do NOT advocate that because GRACE is more than SIN, that this fact gives license to SIN... GOD FORBID... for even though SIN is paid for... one WILL REAP (sorrow) for SIN which is SOWN by them.)
The WORD NEVER goes forth in ANY CAPACITY, returning IN VAIN -- Isaiah 55:11 -- JESUS was SENT to SAVE the WORLD, and was GIVEN for ALL... this CANNOT result in failure or in any capcity, be IN VAIN.
Such thinking proposes that YHVH God sent CHRIST to DO something that HE KNEW could NOT be accomplished. Any mindset that entertains such a thing is not only ILLOGICAL, but is also, ...BLASPHEMY within its disrespect of YHVH God.
Likely because you are so bound in the chains of religion 3 angels, ...you shall NOT learn this, but at least you have been given the opportunity.
It remains your choice (according to the sovereign will of GOD, and to election) to decide that CHRIST and YHVH are failures... but such a "choosing" shall result in ...dire SHAME. Again, the DIVINE PURPOSE of ELECTION (will of GOD) decides the manifestation of ALL THINGS -- Rom 9:11
FOURTH -- YOU (not He) said "...the global flood is evidence of it (His wrath)"
This is SURELY questionable. I say this, because when MAN reaches a point where his HEART is EVIL continually... (which implies ALL the TIME), then MAN is also "REAPING" (sorrow for) what he is SOWING... I maintain that the FLOOD was more an act of MERCY from God, then the administration of ANGER.
The CLEAR evidences of the GROWING SORROWS upon the earth such as FAMINE, incurable diseases, pollutions, increasing dissension between countries, races, religions, etc... ARE the "REAPINGS" of mankind, due to SOWING EVIL. THIS LIFE is not a "warm-up" for WORSE! Get real!
Wake up and smell the coffee bro! (oh yeah, I forgot, ...you don't drink coffee! ...sorry, wake up & smell the roses before they die from ...pollutions.)
GOD does not ..."GET MAD"... for crying out loud! You carnally pull Him and His ways down to our own. Have you studied so little as to view the positioning of the SPIRITUAL and HOLY, in fallible "human terms?
His "WRATH" is directed toward EVIL and the removal of IT concerning LIFE, ...it is certainly NOT a DIVINE emotional "TIRADE" that no one can displace! Please!
ALL things which emerge from GOD are POSITIVE... and are manifest PURPOSELY... I think you have much to learn about who and what your GOD ..."IS"...
...which IS LOVE, and IS LONGSUFFERING, and IS NOT EASILY PROVOKED... and ENDURES ALL THINGS. (remember the "mercy thing")... and THINKETH NO EVIL... etc.
FIFTH --- You (not He) said: "...HIS wrath will go forth unmixed with mercy" -- Nah.
How can GOD's "MERCY" [GRACE] "endure FOR EVER" (which includes ALL existent moments)... and yet have WRATH which is "UNMIXED" (apart, disassociated) with that MERCY?
In trying to sound "poetic" (which is a characteristic of the SDA church), you only continue to sound UNINFORMED.
SIXTH --- Your above quoted verse NOW comes into play:
Rom 1:18 -- For the WRATH of God ...IS REVEALED [not "will be"] from heaven against all UNGODLINESS and UNRIGHTEOUSNESS... OF MEN [not against men, but against their DEEDS] who hold the TRUTH [via disobedient choosings] in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS...
If you are a LOVING parent, or had one or two of your own, ...experiential REASON will have INFORMED you that the parent LOVES the child, and detests MISBEHAVIORS of the child... Certainly does NOT "detest" the CHILD!
Rather proceeds to CORRECT the child of said misbehavior, ...and does NOT proceed or ever even CONSIDER, to DESTROY or HATE the CHILD because of his/her misbehaviors!
The WRATH of GOD is NOT directed toward MEN -- for GOD UNCHANGINGLY LOVES this WORLD -- His "WRATH" is directed toward the DEEDS of men -- 1 Cor 3:11-15 -- This Scripture notes that FIRE actually SAVES men... but the DEEDS of men which are "deeds" ...NOT of CHRIST, are (forever) disposed of ...by that FIRE.
Ridding the ONE LOVED (by GOD) from them forever...
SEVENTH -- You (not He) said: "...for sin cannot dwell with HIM" -- ...really bro, ...are you serious? This is nothing but a parroting of RELIGIOUS suggestion which IS NOT BASED in the WORD. ...get a clue!
PAUL clearly states that -- Acts 17:28 -- "IN HIM we live and move and have our being"
He is not "separated" from His Creation which is in a battle with SIN... this ENTIRE REALM is amidst YHVH God, ...for HE is OMNIPRESENT -- Psalm 139:8 -- Which means that HE ...IS... everywhere!
This is enough for now...
...
And, ...as is wished in almost every NT writing:
PEACE...
...willieH
FIRST -- About "satan"... You (not He) said -- "Do not let Satan deceive you, for GOD himself is just, and holy and righteous"
This is quite humorous, ...there is no such "BEING" known as "satan"... no talking snake, nor red guy with a pitchfork that is "in charge" of HELL...
...nor was ever an ANGEL which was "in heaven"..."satan" is the INHERENT, NATURAL ADVERSITY (law of SIN/captivity) within the FLESH OF MEN "(body of DEATH") -- Rom 8:23-25 -- which GOD CONCLUDED (beginning with Adam and Eve, and ALL of their subsequent CHILDREN for EVE is the MOTHER of all LIVING -- Gen 3:20 -- and ALL are IN ADAM -- 1 Cor 15:22) shall naturally of a DECEITFUL heart -- Jer 17:9 -- gravitate (naturally -- 1 Cor 15:22, 42-48) to the SIN of UNBELIEF -- Rom 11:32 -- Rom 14:23 --
Which is a scenario which GOD has "CONCLUDED" for ALL men, and it shall BE as He has decided it shall be -- Rom 9:11 -- and only HE can deliver men from this "conclusion" MADE by YHVH of them.
"ALL have SINNED", is the CONCLUSION of God concerning ALL MEN, even those who have YET to begin life in the REALM of TIME (which IS the LAKE of FIRE & BRIMSTONE), and which is where the REVELATION of the singular and LIVING (men are alive) KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, is REVEALED. And which "knowledge" is contained in the WORD of GOD.
ALL things which are manifest in TIME, were already proclaimed by the DECLARATION of YHVH in His WORD, concerning those things which were "NOT YET DONE" (which is everything):
Isaiah 46:10 -- "DECLARING the end from the beginning and from ancient times, the things that ARE NOT YET DONE [which is everything], saying MY COUNSEL shall stand, and I WILL DO, all My pleasure
CLEARLY this verse conveys that GOD is "DOING" that which HE DECLARED (declarations are made with "WORDS") from the end to the beginning... which is unfolding (reversed) and manifesting IN TIME, from the beginning unto the end, ...JUST as He has DECLARED they will, ...not as they will, but as HE WILLS -- Eph 1:11
"satan" is NOT an "angel" that once was HOLY and Scripture does not suggest this fallacy.
God does not make errors in His creations (i.e. some "being" would arise and rebel against Him without His consent or WILL being involved).
He has PURPOSE for ALL things. There is NO Scriptural proof that ANY angel which was ever Holy, "fell" from holiness.
Matter of fact... "satan" is not a being at all, rather is the PRINCIPALITY of ADVERSITY, which is inherent within the DECEITFUL hearts of mankind -- Jer 17:9 -- which are DECEITFUL ABOVE -- ALL THINGS.
NOTHING happens within the domain of YHVH, which is NOT purposed BY HIM... as NO ONE has EVER counseled (advised) the ALMIGHTY. NO one. -- Rom 11:34
GOD has not had to resort to "plan B" because ...(1) one of His angels fell, and convinced other angels to fall ...(2) - Man disobeyed HIs command, and a "redemptive" mission had to be implemented.
This is FOOLISHNESS. GOD knows ALL, and has PURPOSE for ALL -- Ecc 3:1-8
SECOND --- YOU (not He) said --- "HE will execute justice" -- this is true but this statement does NOT point to the FUTURE, ...for MEN shall REAP what they SOW... of the FLESH (in which SIN took place) -- the MYRIADS of SORROWS upon the Earth (war, AIDS, cancer, diabetes, marriage disollutions, rampant misbehaviors, ALL of which demote the quality of LIFE, and IMPOSE sorrow) are TESTIMONY and WITNESS to the REAPING where SIN has been SOWN. This life is not a pre-cursor to WORSE! This life IS the Lake of FIRE and BRIMSTONE, in which MISBEHAVIOR (sin) is SOWN and according equal SORROW is REAPED for IT!
REASON dictates that a PARENT deals with misbehavior AS IT HAPPENS, not at the conclusion of CHILDHOOD or at the end of the life of the CHILD! Did your mother and father WAIT until your childhood was finished to address your misbehaviors DURING that childhood, 3 angels? Of course they did NOT!
Gal 6:8 -- For he that soweth to his FLESH, shall ...OF THE FLESH REAP CORRUPTION... but he that soweth to the spirit, shall of the spirit reap life everlasting. ("everlasting" is an invalid translation, as "AIONIOS" which is pertains to TIME, not ETERNITY... AIONIOS is shown to contain beginning and end -- Jude 7 -- the FIRE of Sodom and Gomorrah began, and ended. ETERNAL does not have EITHER of these limitations)
In Resurrection... the FLESH is not considered, for when man is RAISED, it IS in ...INCORRUPTION -- 1 Cor 15:42
In the reaping of deeds GOOD or EVIL, is GOD's Justice (which is NOW) enacted.
JESUS CLEARLY said (and YOU ignore)... that -- "the JUDGMENT of THIS WORLD, ...IS ...NOW" -- John 12:31 -- ALL "time" occurs in the present. In truth, there is NO such thing as the Past, nor the Future... there is ONLY NOW.
THIRD -- YOU (not He) said: "the Cross of JESUS CHRIST is evidence of it" (God's wrath)
The CROSS of JESUS CHRIST contains the means of PEACE and RECONCILIATION -- Col 1:20
JESUS died (paid) for the UNGODLY -- Rom 5:6 -- which is ALL men -- 1 Tim 2:6
In the SENDING of CHRIST to NOT CONDEMN (which is an UNCHANGING position), ...the manifestation of GRACE was given by YHVH God, to replace and PAY -- 1 Cor 7:23 -- FOR the SIN of ALL MEN -- 1 Tim 2:6 -- and where the GRACE of YHVH God ...IS... sin, IS thereby DWARFED and rendered inert (taken away).
(Might I say that I do NOT advocate that because GRACE is more than SIN, that this fact gives license to SIN... GOD FORBID... for even though SIN is paid for... one WILL REAP (sorrow) for SIN which is SOWN by them.)
The WORD NEVER goes forth in ANY CAPACITY, returning IN VAIN -- Isaiah 55:11 -- JESUS was SENT to SAVE the WORLD, and was GIVEN for ALL... this CANNOT result in failure or in any capcity, be IN VAIN.
Such thinking proposes that YHVH God sent CHRIST to DO something that HE KNEW could NOT be accomplished. Any mindset that entertains such a thing is not only ILLOGICAL, but is also, ...BLASPHEMY within its disrespect of YHVH God.
Likely because you are so bound in the chains of religion 3 angels, ...you shall NOT learn this, but at least you have been given the opportunity.
It remains your choice (according to the sovereign will of GOD, and to election) to decide that CHRIST and YHVH are failures... but such a "choosing" shall result in ...dire SHAME. Again, the DIVINE PURPOSE of ELECTION (will of GOD) decides the manifestation of ALL THINGS -- Rom 9:11
FOURTH -- YOU (not He) said "...the global flood is evidence of it (His wrath)"
This is SURELY questionable. I say this, because when MAN reaches a point where his HEART is EVIL continually... (which implies ALL the TIME), then MAN is also "REAPING" (sorrow for) what he is SOWING... I maintain that the FLOOD was more an act of MERCY from God, then the administration of ANGER.
The CLEAR evidences of the GROWING SORROWS upon the earth such as FAMINE, incurable diseases, pollutions, increasing dissension between countries, races, religions, etc... ARE the "REAPINGS" of mankind, due to SOWING EVIL. THIS LIFE is not a "warm-up" for WORSE! Get real!
Wake up and smell the coffee bro! (oh yeah, I forgot, ...you don't drink coffee! ...sorry, wake up & smell the roses before they die from ...pollutions.)
GOD does not ..."GET MAD"... for crying out loud!
You carnally pull Him and His ways down to our own. Have you studied so little as to view the positioning of the SPIRITUAL and HOLY, in fallible "human terms?His "WRATH" is directed toward EVIL and the removal of IT concerning LIFE, ...it is certainly NOT a DIVINE emotional "TIRADE" that no one can displace! Please!
ALL things which emerge from GOD are POSITIVE... and are manifest PURPOSELY... I think you have much to learn about who and what your GOD ..."IS"...
...which IS LOVE, and IS LONGSUFFERING, and IS NOT EASILY PROVOKED... and ENDURES ALL THINGS. (remember the "mercy thing")... and THINKETH NO EVIL... etc.FIFTH --- You (not He) said: "...HIS wrath will go forth unmixed with mercy" -- Nah.
How can GOD's "MERCY" [GRACE] "endure FOR EVER" (which includes ALL existent moments)... and yet have WRATH which is "UNMIXED" (apart, disassociated) with that MERCY?
In trying to sound "poetic" (which is a characteristic of the SDA church), you only continue to sound UNINFORMED.
SIXTH --- Your above quoted verse NOW comes into play:
Rom 1:18 -- For the WRATH of God ...IS REVEALED [not "will be"] from heaven against all UNGODLINESS and UNRIGHTEOUSNESS... OF MEN [not against men, but against their DEEDS] who hold the TRUTH [via disobedient choosings] in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS...
If you are a LOVING parent, or had one or two of your own, ...experiential REASON will have INFORMED you that the parent LOVES the child, and detests MISBEHAVIORS of the child... Certainly does NOT "detest" the CHILD!
Rather proceeds to CORRECT the child of said misbehavior, ...and does NOT proceed or ever even CONSIDER, to DESTROY or HATE the CHILD because of his/her misbehaviors!
The WRATH of GOD is NOT directed toward MEN -- for GOD UNCHANGINGLY LOVES this WORLD -- His "WRATH" is directed toward the DEEDS of men -- 1 Cor 3:11-15 -- This Scripture notes that FIRE actually SAVES men... but the DEEDS of men which are "deeds" ...NOT of CHRIST, are (forever) disposed of ...by that FIRE.
Ridding the ONE LOVED (by GOD) from them forever...
SEVENTH -- You (not He) said: "...for sin cannot dwell with HIM" --
...really bro, ...are you serious? This is nothing but a parroting of RELIGIOUS suggestion which IS NOT BASED in the WORD. ...get a clue! PAUL clearly states that -- Acts 17:28 -- "IN HIM we live and move and have our being"
He is not "separated" from His Creation which is in a battle with SIN... this ENTIRE REALM is amidst YHVH God, ...for HE is OMNIPRESENT -- Psalm 139:8 -- Which means that HE ...IS... everywhere!
This is enough for now...
...And, ...as is wished in almost every NT writing:
PEACE...
...willieH
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