Who Really Believes?

[k4c]

Just because we fall into sin does not mean the Ten Commandments are done away with.

I need to ask this very simple question of which I need to get a very simple straight answer.

Who here believes it's okay to break any one of the Ten Commandments?

 

[Kira Light]

No one is arguing that sin is done away with because we fall into it.

I believe it is okay to break any one of the ten commandments.

 

[VictorC]

Just because we fall into sin does not mean the Ten Commandments are done away with.

I need to ask this very simple question of which I need to get a very simple straight answer.

Who here believes it's okay to break any one of the Ten Commandments?

You have already violated the ten commandments (the covenant from Sinai), and God has concluded every one of its recipients disobedient before you tried your hand at it.
At this late juncture it would be prudent for you to explain why it isn't "okay" to continue in this same violation of the Sinai covenant.

 

[Restin]

Who Really Believes?

The one who first confesses 'Lord I believe, help my own UNBELIEF'...!

The one who says...let God be true while confessing himself a liar, in the sight of God!

 

[jesusmygod]

I don't believe any of the ten commandments should ever be broken. Just because we may sin doesn't mean that we should continue to do so. Self control is a very important aspect to learn in life. We all fall short of the glory of god because we are not perfect as the father. But if you believe its okay to sin by breaking any commandment Christ has set before us all then be prepared to face the consequences of your actions. All mankind will be held accountable for every sin wither it be murder, stealing or what have you.

I would much rather be found blameless in the sight of God.

 

[VictorC]

I don't believe any of the ten commandments should ever be broken. Just because we may sin doesn't mean that we should continue to do so. Self control is a very important aspect to learn in life. We all fall short of the glory of god because we are not perfect as the father. But if you believe its okay to sin by breaking any commandment Christ has set before us all then be prepared to face the consequences of your actions. All mankind will be held accountable for every sin wither it be murder, stealing or what have you.

I would much rather be found blameless in the sight of God.

Since "There is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10), all of the law's recipients have been concluded in violation of the covenant from Sinai, which was the ten commandments. If we are to be held accountable for our compliance to the ten commandments, then no one is going to be saved. Romans 3 continues on in this vein of thought:

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

If we are to be found blameless in the sight of God, there needs to be another means to attain that standing before Him. A soteriology based on our works isn't going to meet God's standard of righteousness.

Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.




>> Besides, this thread is a trick to snare you into the sabbath, as the OP asks if it is "okay" to break any one of the ten commandments. <<

 

[StormyOne]

who really believes obsessing about law keeping is detrimental to any meaningful relationship one has with the Creator? ummm Me....

 

[k4c]

There was only one here who answered correctly. But I would like to clarify a few things before the pack of bees begin to swam.

jesusmygod;I don't believe any of the ten commandments should ever be broken.

Amen...

Just because we may sin doesn't mean that we should continue to do so.

Amen...

Self control is a very important aspect to learn in life.

Amen...God says self control should be added to our faith.

We all fall short of the glory of god because we are not perfect as the father.

Amen and amen...

But if you believe its okay to sin by breaking any commandment Christ has set before us all then be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.

Amen...sinful man will face a righteous God the only difference is that those who are abiding in Christ will not be condemned. Abiding in Christ means that when we do sin we do as God says, 1 John 1:9.

All mankind will be held accountable for every sin wither it be murder, stealing or what have you.

Amen...but to those who are in Christ have Him as our propitiation.

1 John 2:2 He is the one who took God's wrath against our sins upon himself, and brought us into fellowship with God; and he is the forgiveness for our sins, and not only ours but all the world.

I would much rather be found blameless in the sight of God.

Amen...to be blameless means it was not within our control.

Jesus because we sin and continue to sin does not nullify the Ten Commandments. They will always set the standard for those who are in Christ and those who are coming to Christ. When we do break them we confess it and keep our relationship with God and man free of bitterness and strife.

Somene give, jesusismygod, an A+.

 

[Cribstyl]

Just because we fall into sin does not mean the Ten Commandments are done away with.

I need to ask this very simple question of which I need to get a very simple straight answer.

Who here believes it's okay to break any one of the Ten Commandments?

People ask certain questions because they dont want to face up to the truth. Some of us can see your motives behind this question. My final answer is this; " We dont believe that's it's OK to sin, but the scriptures establishes that we're not under the ten commandments."

I started this thread How do we follow Jesus? to get your spin on what are the doctrines that christains should follow.
You jumped right in without answering the questions directly.
You took the liberty to highjack the OP and present your commentary and spurious text claiming that we're to follow the ten commandments.

 

[Sophia7]

who really believes obsessing about law keeping is detrimental to any meaningful relationship one has with the Creator? ummm Me....

I agree.

 

[k4c]

People ask certain questions because they dont want to face up to the truth. Some of us can see your motives behind this question. My final answer is "we're not under the ten commandments."

I started this thread How do we follow Jesus? to get your spin on what are the doctrines that christains should follow.
You jumped right in without answering the questions directly. You took the liberty to highjack the OP and present your commentary and spurious text claiming that we're to follow the ten commandments.

Praise God I speak the truth...

The Spirit of God will convict of sin and righteousness of which the Ten Commandments define both. But the New Covenant doesn't stop at the Ten Commandments it goes beyond them in that it deals with relationships also. Many people can keep the Ten Commandments yet have no relationship. In this we become very ritualistic. The life and words of Jesus brought relationship to the Law when He magnified them and restored honor to them. This in itself is a fulfilled prophecy.

The response I got from my very simple question tells me that I can't have fellowship here.

2 John 1:9-11 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

May God have mercy...

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The Spirit of God will convict of sin and righteousness of which the Ten Commandments define both.

The Spirit convicts on a subject that the Spirit is incapable of defining?

BFA

 

[Kira Light]

Is there any other faith group or denomination here on the Christian forums that condemns all the others to hell? Any other with their own prophet who condemned everyone else? Any other that threatens, follow our rules or "may God have mercy..."

Why not let the Mormons in? At least the worst they'll condemn you to is outer darkness. Much less divisive, in my opinion.

 

[Joe67]

Just because we fall into sin does not mean the Ten Commandments are done away with.

I need to ask this very simple question of which I need to get a very simple straight answer.

Who here believes it's okay to break any one of the Ten Commandments?

k4c,

The words spoken on the mountain of Sinai were spoken to those who had been brought out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage.

Some did not believe that Egypt was a house of bondage. They found pleasure in the spirit of Egyptian worship.

The mindset of the Egyptian worship is important to understand.

This mindset is woven here a little and there a little through the prophetic and apostolic witness. This is how we are taught concerning the elementary nature of sin.

Being free from the mindset of Egyptian worship is not the fullness of the purpose, but it is a necessary beginning work of the Lord. There is much more.

Joe

 

[VictorC]

Amen...but to those who are in Christ have Him as our propitiation.

I think you have again confused sin with transgressions, and have misapplied the meaning of propitiation, which is a once-for-all expiatory sacrifice that describes the sufficient atonement Jesus Christ made on our behalf. Making a dualistic appeal to His propitiation and to the continued jurisdiction of the covenant He made atonement for is a contradiction.

Allow me to simplify what I wrote:

• Jews appeal to the Sinai covenant as their justification.
• Christians appeal to Christ's propitiation as their justification.

Hebrews 9
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Christ's propitiation redeemed our transgressions defined by the first covenant. Claiming a continued jurisdiction of that covenant is contrary to His redemption.

Amen...to be blameless means it was not within our control.

This isn't consistent to an appeal of compliance to the former covenant, which was conveyed with compliance a requisite to live and possess the promised land.

Jesus because we sin and continue to sin does not nullify the Ten Commandments. They will always set the standard for those who are in Christ and those who are coming to Christ. When we do break them we confess it and keep our relationship with God and man free of bitterness and strife.

Somene give, jesusismygod, an A+.

I'm afraid we experienced a drive-by shooting from someone new to the forum, who didn't perceive a hidden agenda to promote the sabbath that God took away with His own hand with the first covenant (Hebrews 10:1-9). He had described a soteriology based on works, which is inconsistent with the Gospel's description of redemption from the law and adoption as sons and daughters of the sovereign King.

Galatians 4
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

 

[VictorC]

Praise God I speak the truth...

The Pharisees made this same claim as they delivered Jesus to the Roman authorities. Remember this the next time you hear someone banter on about Ellen's alleged Sunday law.

The Spirit of God will convict of sin and righteousness of which the Ten Commandments define both.

Since when did God convict of sin and was unable to define what He was convicting someone of?

But the New Covenant doesn't stop at the Ten Commandments it goes beyond them in that it deals with relationships also.

The new covenant doesn't even include the first covenant, a point Hebrews 8:13 drives home: In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Many people can keep the Ten Commandments yet have no relationship.

Here you contradict God's disposition of the recipients of the Sinai covenant: "God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all" (Romans 11:32). There are no exceptions to "all".

In this we become very ritualistic. The life and words of Jesus brought relationship to the Law when He magnified them and restored honor to them. This in itself is a fulfilled prophecy.

The context surrounding Isaiah 42:21 is a passage you should read for yourself rather than claim this somehow supports a continued jurisdiction of the the law: "I will bring the blind by a way they did not know". The people descibed knew nothing but the law, and God's disposition of them states "they would not walk in His ways, Nor were they obedient to His law". That is consistent with new testament passages affirming the same disposition.

The response I got from my very simple question tells me that I can't have fellowship here.

The manner in which you disregard questions raised by others indicates you didn't come here for fellowship or discussion. 'Bye now.

 

[k4c]

Ezekiel 36:26-28 "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. "Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 "Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,'' says the Lord. "But this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Hebrews 8:7-10 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them,'' says the Lord. "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

One influences the outward through fear one influences the inward through love.

The New Covenant includes God's Law...period and end of story.

If you disagree with this your battle is not with me, it's with God.

Sorry

 

[VictorC]

If you disagree with this your battle is not with me, it's with God

It has been pointed out to you quite a number of times that Jeremiah 31:32 and Hebrews 8:9 specify that God's "My law" that finds entrance into us isn't according to the covenant made at Sinai: "...not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke...".

The assertion made by Adventism is contrary to these passages. I came up with the chair allegory to illustrate this distinction more easily.

The old covenant is that the chair is on one side of the room and the new covenant is that the chair is moved to the other side of the room.

Since we're using a familiar noun, we can remain with it for a while.

Hebrews 8 describes the old chair:

• The old chair is faulty: if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
• The old chair was violated, i.e. broken: they did not continue in My covenant.
• The old chair is obsolete: In that He says, &#8220;A new covenant, &#8221; He has made the first obsolete.
• The old chair is ready for disposal: Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Both Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 contain a narrative of God making a new covenant, or a new chair, that is not according to the pattern of the old chair: I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah - not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.

While you assert that moving the chair across the room somehow made it new (which is ubsurd), the narrative you're confronted with tells a entirely different story: the old chair is disposed, and God made a new chair of an entirely different design.

The old covenant is that the law is written of stone and the new covenant is the law written on the heart.

Pretty simple...

I don't believe that I'm the first to break the news to you: Sinai is according to Sinai, and God's promise is that He would write His "My law" into His redeemed that isn't according to Sinai.

Until you make this distinction that what (or rather, Who) has entered into us isn't from Sinai, you aren't going to make the smallest effort to determine what Scripture is telling us in its plain language.

Your post even included Ezekiel 36:27, which specifies that God would place His Spirit in us, which would cause us to walk in His choq and mishpat. The former torah isn't called on anymore. This is the product of the new covenant:

Jeremiah 31:34
"No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

This personal knowledge of God isn't a product of the law. Writing the former law into the hearts and minds of God's purchased possession isn't a new covenant promise, either - as Romans 2:14-15 shows that it was present as a conscience in the Gentiles, before the new covenant existed:

...for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness...

Your contention is contrary to Holy Writ, k4c, and it is sola Scriptura that I tend to trust a lot more than your opinion.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I'm afraid we experienced a drive-by shooting from someone new to the forum, who didn't perceive a hidden agenda to promote the sabbath that God took away with His own hand with the first covenant

I find it interesting that the only one who's mentioned the sabbath on this thread so far is you. Who's the one obsessed with the sabbath here?

 

[Kira Light]

I find it interesting that the only one who's mentioned the sabbath on this thread so far is you. Who's the one obsessed with the sabbath here?

Any time k4c or any other SDA talks about the commandments or the law they are talking about Sabbath.