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Who owned the pigs???

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In Matthew 8, who owned the pigs?

Wouldn't they have been private property? Someone's livelihood?

What about the property rights of the pig owners?

How is damaging someone's property sinless?

Mat 8:34 So everyone from the town went out to meet Jesus; and when they saw him, they begged him to leave their territory.

No wonder.
 

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Considering that he freed a demon possessed individual of torments & the local community he terrorized, He deemed it right to do so. There is probably more theological significance in the fact that the pig was unclean in the sight of the Jews.
 
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In Matthew 8, who owned the pigs?

Wouldn't they have been private property? Someone's livelihood?

What about the property rights of the pig owners?

How is damaging someone's property sinless?

Mat 8:34 So everyone from the town went out to meet Jesus; and when they saw him, they begged him to leave their territory.

No wonder.
There was a large population of Gentiles in Galilee. They would have been the herders of pigs. I guess Jesus used the pigs as the possessed men asked him to. Jesus had no problem with this as God owns everything. The town's people begged him to leave because they were afraid their pigs would end up in the sea too.
 
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Considering that he freed a demon possessed individual of torments & the local community he terrorized, He deemed it right to do so. There is probably more theological significance in the fact that the pig was unclean in the sight of the Jews.

Even better he could have just freed the guy without damage to somebody else's private property.

Even better than that he could have avoided the guy getting demon possed in the first place.

What? How can Christ "deem something right?" Hmm... Should I do A or B... Hmm... A is OK... B is immoral. Hmm... I guess I'll do A.

Scary enough means that Jesus would have contemplated doing B. Considered it "in his heart."

Significant Christological implications...
 
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The town's people begged him to leave because they were afraid their pigs would end up in the sea too.

The whole thing seems to be a bit of putting on a show. Almost for showiness' sake.

Again, why not just heal the guy without the big look-at-me display. Or even better just prevent the demon possession.

Knowingly destroying one man's property and then causing others to fear as a result of the display of raw power seems wrong.
 
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In Matthew 8, who owned the pigs?

Wouldn't they have been private property? Someone's livelihood?

What about the property rights of the pig owners?

How is damaging someone's property sinless?

Mat 8:34 So everyone from the town went out to meet Jesus; and when they saw him, they begged him to leave their territory.

No wonder.

God did cast the demons in the pigs then.

You are taking that as a fact is what I mean.

Though you do not believe their is a God, if I recall your icon correctly, you believe God cast the demons into the pigs and now you say, because God did so he sinned as this belonged (the pigs) to another and God destroyed another's property.

So, you believe there is a God.
You believe he can cast demons out.
You believe he sinned because he used someones pigs.


okay,

come the 7 year tribulation, the latter 3 1/2 years the horror of horrors is going to occur the worst judgements ever on this earth and people's property is going to be destroyed left and right not to mention people themselves, and many horrible things are going to happen, and its fairly awful what is going to occur. So awful, that God said if the days were not cut short no one would survive, iirc.

So, appears to me, God does not care about man's approval as to what God can or can not do with His creation, as He owns it all. Man dies with nothing. Property doesn't follow him, nor his money. This is the world we live in and is how it is.

So, God who created all there is, and gave us all we have, you believe that as you being a created being that He should not touch anything you or another owns, because it belongs to them.

I believe all belongs to God, and did search for the verse which says such, but could not find it, but there is one.

And so in summation: God has a right to do with his creation as he sees to, and you and I have no insight into why those demons weren't rather cast in the abyss (before they're time as the demons put it), but due to such as life was rescued or restored.

So, let me see, would I rather one man be saved, such as the one with the demons in it, or healed or whatever was the situation, or would I rather worry about my neighbors animals, which tho while may be their livleyhood, seems to me human life is more valuable than animals, however I love animals very much and if I do, i can sure tell you God loves them zillion times more than I do.

We have no clue to the whole scenario that occured.

Only what is written.

But God does what he needs to, to accomplish his task, and does so without evil and without sin, as your also forgetting God can not sin, and Jesus is God.

God can not sin, because sin is against God and not humans. It is God one sins against. God can not sin against himself.

So my whole bit above is just my thoughts.

I've no clue why what occurred occurred.

I dont' understand demons being cast into pigs that then run over a hill and die. I would imagine those demons didn't die, so I don't get that bit at all.

But apparently, perhaps they had to go into something and perhaps there was no other place to send them, no clue, God doesn't tell us, and it matters nothing to me.

but i will say again

Jesus is God, and God can not sin against himself as sin all sin is against God.

God is the one made the commandments, man doesn't make commandments for God.
 
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